Then why does everyone who says this so adamantly and angrily defend him?
After all, if it doesn't matter either way, why not make the fanbase happy?
Then why does everyone who says this so adamantly and angrily defend him?
After all, if it doesn't matter either way, why not make the fanbase happy?
That's a false narrative.
Hire the right guy and everything will fall into place (that doesn't mean make a playoff, it just means be solid to good).
Lebby gets one more year to see if he is the guy.
He's not the guy. He looks miserable. If we somehow buy him enough talent to win 7 games next year, he's jumping on the first offer he gets. We hate him, he hates us. It's over.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I hate him moreQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Not sure why anybody would hate him. That's wild.
If he goes 7-5 next year, he should get support, not hate. That would mean he's improved the win total every year and has made changes to the staff that are working.
Not only is he not that guy but tell me who on his coaching staff is. And since this is his 2nd portal does anyone any confidence in properly evaluating players. I mean the only 3 guys that he got who were productive were Thompson and Evans and Jones. Thats it.
"We hate him, he hates us."
That's a pretty broad statement. How do you know this for sure? Or is it just your opinion?
Here's the thing. We need to improve our NIL regardless of who the coach is.
That is NOT a defense of Lebby. It is wanting to help MSU football get better regardless of WHO the coach is. Do not confuse the two.
If Lebby sucks and isn't the guy like you think it wouldn't matter if we gave more money. But it would help us in hiring the next guy who can take advantage of the money. Coaching prospects are looking at how much NIL resources they have available. They're looking at the staff structure to see if it's in place so they can just bring over their scouting dept because otherwise they have to build everything.
MSU sabotaging a coach hurts MSU.
We will get a lot more money flowing in if we hire the right guy. People are more likely to give to a winner. Or at least someone they believe in.
Indiana is a good example.
100% opinion. But it's based on talking to people and reading several boards and watching Lebby.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
You can't take what I or anyone else posts so literally. I do not hate Lebby at all. I want him to win. But he sucks. He's a terrible coach. Fans are emotional. They tell you real quick that they "can't stand" Lebby. And when you see him on the sidelines, he looks checked out. He looks ready to go.
Sure but that doesn't mean don't give in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I don't think we get O'Connor if we completely stopped supporting baseball.
We have to be able to set ourselves up for success to get a winner. Because winners aren't going to go somewhere that they aren't set up to succeed.
I was semi enthusiastic about Lebby early in the season.
I don't personally hate him and thinks he does a decent job at motivating the team and getting a lot out of players that others do not expect a lot out of.
However.
He personally cost us 3 games this year with his idiotic decision making in the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games. I see no signs that he regrets anything he called and that has made me turn on him. He's not smart enough to be the coach of this team.
We beat Tennessee if our offensive line doesn't whiff and Shapen gets sacked. We tried to run the clock out against Texas and couldn't because of our offensive line. And we executed poorly on punt coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Those issues are corrected with better talent.
We 100% did not. I counted 4 snaps with over 20 seconds left on the play clock (with the game clock running) in the last 10 minutes of the game. That's a coaching issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
What in the world do you think he can plausibly show next year to overcome the huge whole he himself has dug?Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I'm talking about the beginning of the fourth quarter when we had a two score lead. We tried to run clock and went three and out. Then Lebby on the drive you are referencing tried to get our offense back into rhythm and it didn't work either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Regardless we have to be able to run the ball there, tried to do so, and were unable to do it because our offensive line couldn't get the job done.
Every argument in favor of Lebby takes the following form:
- Hey, fuсk you! You don't know anything!
- We have so little money that even schools like Wake Forest and Toledo would blow us out, and no coach will ever be able to change that, so why bother changing coaches?
- Unless you are personally donating millions of dollars to buy him out all by yourself, shut the hell up!
It's nothing like Moorhead or Arnett or Lemonis. All of those coaches had their supporters (more supporters than Lebby does now, that's for sure), but it stayed civil, and the fans of those schools could at least point to something that they had accomplished as a coach as a reason to think they could get better. Lebby supporters can't point to anything, so they just go for anger and vitriol, but instead of directing that anger and vitriol at the coach who is 2-17 against P5 competition despite having had rosters that could have won 6 or 7 of those games, it's directed at the people who are tired of the losing and underachieving.
So trying to run clock for a little bit and then giving up is good enough for you? Jesus Christ, dude...Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Give up? He was trying to get the offense to work again so we could run the clock out. Guess what happens if he kept doing what wasn't working. You would be saying "I can't believe all of a sudden we stopped being aggressive and started to do something that "obviously" wasn't working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Lebby is in a no win situation with you so just enjoy the "loss".
The thing is you don't offer anything constructive to fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
The people you say that are "defending" Lebby are all basically telling you how to fix it. But somehow "you just want to win and this is unacceptable" but when someone tells you to donate money to the program you get all bitchy. That's why people tell you "**** you". You really don't care. You just don't want Lebby here because of what his father in law did. That's more important to you than winning. So spare me the bullshit.
If you want someone other than Lebby that's fine. We can fire him today and I wouldn't give a shit. Hell if we brought in Dan and least we can get that out of our fans system and then Arnett would be gone. So if you want him gone go find some boosters like those dumbasses in Madison that got us in this spot to start with. Go ahead. Make it happen. I just told you how to get rid of Lebby. What a loyalist I am.**
But don't tell me that you only want to win when you aren't really willing to do what it takes to do it which is give money and you're trying to do everything you can do to hurt MSU football but you are too ignorant to realize it because you're blinded by your hate by Lebby.
"He had to run the hurry-up so that he could run out the clock!" Do you even hear yourself?
It's very obvious that you basically agree with all of us about Lebby, but just can't bring yourself to admit that you've been wrong for like 10 weeks ... out of the, what 1,000 weeks you've been part of the message board community? It's no big deal. No one's going to taunt you for changing your mind. It happens to all of us.
But not the most. Many of us hate him more than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
What??
I have said repeatedly that we need to change head coaches to someone who our boosters will be more interested in funding. Nobody thinks that paying into Mississippi State football is a good investment right now. Yes, some will do it anyway because they're diehard fans, but we saw a few months ago in baseball how a coaching change can suddenly open people's pocketbooks.
I've always said that Lebby is not responsible for his creep father-in-law's actions. I've never held him responsible for that. I think Lebby's own actions during that scandal are pretty sketchy, but in a world where Chris Beard can go from beating the hell out of his wife to head coach of Ole Miss in 3 months, it's just something that fans everywhere have to make themselves OK with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Apparently not...Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I have donated what I can comfortably afford. I wish I were a millionaire or billionaire, but sadly I'm not. I don't know what more I can personally do, other than make it clear that the vast majority of the fanbase wants him gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Hate him being our coach. Not hate him personally. I don't know himQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
One more year to see if he?s the guy???? Ole buddy has one one?ONE?SEC game in two years and that is in an SEC that is clearly down. Let me answer this for you with certainty. He is NOT the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
With baseball the money and commitment came BEFORE we hired O'Connor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
And no it really doesn't matter to me if Lebby is our coach or not. What does matter is when idiots like you want to hurt our program though.
Running the ball didn't work. Like I said. Lebby was in a no win situation and that was because of our players. No different than our fans complaining about him "leaving in KT" last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I've spent an unhealthy amount of the last 20 years talking about Mississippi State football and other sports across multiple message boards. The notion that I "want to hurt the program" is absolutely ludicrous, and I think even you will admit that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I have never posted anything that would be detrimental to Mississippi State, and have held back on posting my opinions many times.
You do not speak nor are you the fan base. You dont blame whats not at fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It's also fascinating how most Lebby fans were huge Leach Haters who wanted to fire him after 2021 and said that if he lost the Egg Bowl in 2022, he should be fired even if he was 11-1 because winning the Egg Bowl is that important ... but not a peep from any of those people after Lebby is 0-2 in Egg Bowls.
On the issue of whether Lebby should be fired or not, I very much speak for a huge majority of the fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
They dont hate him. Its just the few that speak louder and often. They go to all the message boards to promote their misery.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We got BOC specifically because we vowed to fund the program at an even higher rateQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Until we spend like an SEC team in football- we wont see the results we desire.
I never saw anybody saying Leach should be fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Bull. Ѕhit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I liked Leach and his system. That does not change facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
What you are advocating for will put us on the path of Auburn.
Lebby has not had a fireable offense. We won more and competed most of the season. With a better defense, we will win more.
So buckle up butter cup, Lebby isnt going anywhere.
No you dont. The ego on you to think you do speak for us all is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
You're living under a rock if you think the fanbase supports Lebby. Open your eyes. Even on this message board, it's overwhelmingly anti-Lebby, and it's worse everywhere else. Go check social media comments. Go talk to people in real life. Hardly anyone thinks Lebby is doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I don't think you are intentionally doing it. I think you just don't know what the hell you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
And then to try to call out the people that know how to fix the program- yeah that's not going to fly.