In the baseball search, Selmon got a lot of good outside help to make that call. He needs to do so again after firing Lebby. Who should be called upon to help in the football search?
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In the baseball search, Selmon got a lot of good outside help to make that call. He needs to do so again after firing Lebby. Who should be called upon to help in the football search?
He has a list of several names.
Maybe the guy who beat us last night. He's coached at wash st and WF, who are very similar programs to us. I love that he's been able to win with a talent deficit.
He ran a hell of a defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Do you think maybe he has superior talent when compared to us? Both offensive and defensive. Why can't people understand that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
They are certainly better on the OL and DL.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
But coaching sucks too. There has been zero development under Loadholt. He better be able to recruit finished products.
Yes but we should be able to get the same if not better level of players than WFQuote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
All he?s gonna get is gas, maybe some heartburn
Vigen is the obvious choice, but I doubt he even knows who that is.
The denial that Lebby is a bad coach is astounding. The team was completely unprepared, disinterested, and still hung over at 8 pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
It really is. We all know our talent level sucks. But we also know when we're watching a well coached team vs a terribly coached team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I'll agree in the context we did not look any more prepared than before after fifteen additional practices. And we certainly did not bring anything that would resemble a robust intensity level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Is he? I don't think we should hire a coach from anything lower than G5. Anything from anything lower is too big of a jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Especially since this is his first job away from Craig Bohl at FCS. Bohl was good but not great at Wyoming and that is all he knows. Move up a level and have the same success in G5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't know if there's a "next Cignetti," but if there is, it's probably Brent Vigen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
No. They were missing their starting RB and best WR last night. They clearly did NOT have more athletic players than State did but it was very clear that WF is better coached at every position.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
Mullen.
Simple.
Great talent evaluator.
Great offensive mind.
This is a no brainer.
Just go get Mark Freeman from Thompson University- he?d at least make better transfer decisions and less in game dubmass decisions
"Of course Toledo blew us out - they have way more talent than us!"
"Of course Wake Forest beat us - even with all the opt-outs, they have way more talent than us!"
Everyone told me this when I said we should hire Klieman over Moorhead and then Klieman came in and made Moorhead look a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We could also consider Matt Entz, who won 2 national titles at North Dakota State after Bohl, and then was solid in his first year at Fresno State in 2025:Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Entz
Man I remember on here there were a bunch of preferred Klieman during that hiring phase and voiced it. There was plenty who also thought Moorehead was going to be pretty good with accolades and was ok with either. The jump was a concern because he would be following Bohl who was good but not great in low D1. Was Klieman going to be that or better. And many (still believe this today as well) do not want a defensive HC. I think on average they have a good track record of success personally, so I was good with Klieman and many voiced that on here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Yeah, I'm watching him. Want to see this year too and what he does. Win 8 plus would be good. I'd prefer another 9+ win season and look even better than Tedford's best season there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Who in the SEC has had success going from FCS to FBS ever? And by that I mean directly from FCS to SEC? When you hire a new coach you are also hiring someone to bring in players with him. Do we want to try to win SEC games with Montana State players?Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
So instead we just hire coordinators over and over who don?t work and have no business being SEC head coaches? Cignetti practically did it when JMU was FCS. They were actually the best G5 team in 2023 but didn?t get a chance to prove it because of the rule about not playing the first year you move upQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I am not aware of any head coach having ever gone directly from the FCS to the SEC. Plenty of successful FCS head coaches have gone on to become successful FBS head coaches, the most notable being Jim Tressel. There a bunch of active ones (DeBoer, Entz, Chesney, Cignetti) who didn't go straight from FCS to P4 but probably would have won if they had gotten the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No. You hire someone like Blake Harrell from East Carolina that is more qualified. You hire someone like Eric Morris at Oklahoma State.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
If you are serious about MSU football winning then you don't hire a coach from the FCS level. That is the same level of experience Moorhead had. It's almost as much of a gamble as a coordinator to head coach. If someone starts out at Samford and then they go to Tulane and win there then that is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Not sure we could pull ok state's coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think it would be tough to poach a coach from Oklahoma State, but sure, I'd be fine with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Maybe not. But that's the type of coach we should be targeting. Especially when he was at North Texas because we could have gotten him then I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I know I will be shouted down but percentage wise, coordinators from big programs still have as good of track record of success as G5 HC's. It's all a crap shoot because it really is about fit, timing and who has a good program game plan for what's needed in that moment. It's why Mullen worked here, he was very very prepared and the program was right for him at the hire. Jackie had a good track record and knew how to build a program. Leach was who we needed to run the program after Moorehead and always ran good programs. A coordinator, fired retread, and sitting P5 coach with success. All with varying degrees of success here because they were right for the time and prepared to run good programs. Scheme really doesn't matter in the end.
Only on DL and OL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
The right man for the job is Dan Mullen at $6M/year for 5 years with a $24 Million buyout clause both ways. If he goes to another job then they would have to pay us damn near a years worth of NIL salary immediately. Have $500k escalator for Egg Bowl win, $500k for bowl appearance, $1 million for playoff appearance, $1 million for semifinal appearance, $1 million for championship appearance, $1 million for winning it all. Stacking obviously.
Keep Dan's eye on the prize and search for more money. Work with Target to build near Walk-On's and the Green Walmart.
If Dan doesn't agree to that - then he's not the right man for the job and would be looking at us as a stepping stone. If all he negotiates for is more money on the salary and is fine with the reverse massive buyout - then it should assuage everyone's biggest concern - that he'll be job shopping.
I don?t disagree but we couldn?t pull those kind of coaches last cycle so if we have to move down the next notch it?s better to go with a strong FBS coach with years of head coaching experience va a coordinator with noneQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This is what needs to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Who has had success for us going from OC to HC in the SEC except Tyler and Mullen in the last 60 years? This hiring plan is not working for us at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State