a transfer player won the Heisman. Something to keep an eye on
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a transfer player won the Heisman. Something to keep an eye on
you sayin who might win it next year?
Surround great players with great talent and they produce.
Time to stop even wasting scholarships on less than high 3 star HS players. You can't develop guys anymore
A sophomore playing for his hometown team wins it next year ending the streak
If he can lead us to the 10-11 wins necessary for people to seriously look at him then he will have more than earned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Y'all have to understand, most of his posts these days have a "negative to State" vibe. He's planting the seed that KT will transfer and win a Heisman. That's his angle.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DownwardDawg again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
100% what I'm alluding to. He'll never win it here at 6-6. And if he does have a great season- he will get bought awayQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
There's some nuance you're leaving out in that statement:
2025-Mendoza. I'll give you this one. This was a kid that was good at his last stop that was looking for a bigger stage.
2024-Hunter. I mean if you want to count it as a transfer then ok. He was playing on the FCS level and was only there because of Deion. He was going wherever Deion went.
2023-Daniels. I'll kind of give you this one. Yes he transferred but they weren't exactly begging him to stay. They also had all the Herm Edwards NCAA violations stuff going on at the same time. It wasn't exactly a "he was lighting it up and left for greener pastures" situation.
2022-Williams. Kind of the same as Hunter. He was going with the coach that recruited him. He could've just as easily won it at Oklahoma had he stayed there.
2021-Bryce Young-Never transferred.
2020-Devonta Smith- Never transferred
2019-Joe Burrow. Couldn't get on the field at Ohio St. Had to go somewhere to get on the field.
I mean I see what you're trying to do by saying that Kamario is going to transfer so he can win the Heisman. But none of those guys you mentioned transferred from an SEC school to another SEC school. Also, outside of Mendoza, none of them were being given any type of NIL funds to stay. And Mendoza was being offered peanuts at Cal. I still will never understand how Hugh Freeze looked at Mendoza and Arnold and thought Arnold fit his offense better.
Meh, mendoza is the only real transfer here who wasn't expected to even be in the hunt a year prior. good try though
Then you better not look at the offer sheets of 15 of the 29 HS/JC players that we signed this month. They are ranked .86, .85 and one .84. That is not counting the ranking of the kicket at .81 , who actually is rated a 5 star by the number one kicking site.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
cignetti says to hold his beer..........
If Selmon was competent and hired Cignetti when he had the chance in Nov 2023 then we wouldn?t be having these kind of discussionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
The same can be said for a ton of programs. Cignetti is a unicorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
If we'd have hired who everyone wanted to at the time, Jamey Chadwell, then everyone would still be b******* and moaning that we didn't hire Cignetti.
Cigs will go down as an all time miss by a lot of programs. He's bucking the trend on the age thing.
As an AD your job is to hire the best realistic possible candidate. Cignetti checked all the boxes at that point. Not only did he not hire him (as bad as that is) but he did not even interview him for the job. There is no question that Cignetti would've been the perfect candidate and fit here. Instead we once again thought it would be smart to hire an offensive coordinator instead of a sitting G5 head coach. It only worked with Mullen because he won 2 national titles and developed some of the best offensive players. It rarely works with anyone else if you are a school like State.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Is it possible Selmon never gave him the time of day, sure. But For all you or I know, Selmon put out a feeler and Cignetti said hell naw. I don?t remember anyone on the board saying Cignetti was waiting on us to callQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
I honestly am probably one the least in the know with things behind the scenes on this board, but one thing I know for a fact, because my family knows the extended Cignetti family and went to WVU with them, is that Selmon did not contact him in any way shape or form. Also, he would have taken any SEC job if it was offered for similar salary/benefits that IU had initially offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
Since you are "close" to the situation - allegedly -Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Did Cignetti or his camp reach out to MSU?? How many SEC schools took any interest in him? IUP to Elon to JMU is not a typical path for any SEC HC - regardless of how much they won there.
I am sure after the offensive genius from Fordham took us for a ride we are wary of such coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
It is hard to say how many SEC schools would have taken an interest in hiring because outside Bama we were the only team hiring after his undefeated season at JMU. A team that recently jumped from FCS and won the Sun Belt with a talent deficiency even for sunbelt standards. I am not saying at the time he had the resume for Bama, but he certainly did for the mid tier SEC schools. He had much more head coaching experience than Lebby who had none. Whether Cignetti actively reached out to us is something I would need to ask my family to ask Frank Cignetti Jr when they see him at the IUP/Slippery Rock game in mid January, but Selmon did 100% not reach out or have him on his radarQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The real question is how good of a coach is he without Mark Cuban’s money backing up the program. That is what paint PXG is leaving out of his rants.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
He did not need a lot of money to achieve having the #72 composite rankings. He is winning with a huge talent deficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Bullshat. Nobody is capable of that and you know it. That’s just high school, I have watched them and they have players. I really don’t even understand your ranting anyway. Unless you are just another one buying the BS the fanboys are feeding why is this an issue for us. Who cares. We have own issues and are still digging out of a hole left by a bunch of clown boosters. But hey raising hell about hypothetical BS is the Missippy Tate way.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
It is not really a rant I was just making a statement. Selmon made a huge mistake not hiring Cignetti or interviewing him. If he made the right hire, we would not be in this situation right now. That is the point I was making. We can put it to bed now. Here is the link to the composite 2025 rankings though so you can see for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
https://247sports.com/Season/2025-Fo...lentComposite/
I don’t care about hypothetical, the guy can definitely coach would love to him here but he isn’t.
I was just making a point how if Selmon made the right hire when he had the chance the fanbase would be united instead of divided and it would have us all pulling in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Hindsight is 20/20. Do I wish we would've interviewed Cig? Absolutely. Do I think Selmon wishes he would've interviewed Cig? Absolutely. But IUP->JMU->SEC is not a traditional path. We would've been taking a massive risk on him. Conventional wisdom is that you always hire someone with SEC experience. Now Cig had that experience but it was from 14 years ago. The landscape is night and day from where it was in 2011 when he left Bama. We hired the guy who had, for lack of a better term, run a program inside this state in the transfer portal and NIL era. This is a fact that has been confirmed by mutliple outlets that Lebby was running the OM program from Jan 2, 2021 to sometime in mid July of 2021. He also ran it from April 2020-August 2020. We also would not have had the NIL capabilities to bring his JMU team to Mississippi State like Indiana was able to do. That would've been another issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
I do agree though that we should've hired Cignetti. He'd probably be at a blue blood, but we'd have been better for 2 years.
Mississippi State fans have never pulled in the same direction. Even under the highest of highs with Mullen, people weren't pulling in the same direction. We could be 13-0 with Cignetti leading us in the playoffs and people would be complaining that we don't have a home playoff game and the playoff tickets are too expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
^This is an absolute GD truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
C34 must be just ?peachy? to be around in person. Pun intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Hahaha!!! I see what you did there!Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Most of the time I would agree with this, but this kid is from down the road and his uncle was our quarterback and he wants to be here. If he is truly good enough to win the heisman and shows that ability next year I think our boosters will step up to the point that he will feel comfortable that we are giving him a chance even if we truly aren’t giving him a real chance. He loves Lebby and players good enough to win that type of award will motivate our boosters to step up if they see a real opportunity to succeed. Our big boosters are always in show me mode before they commit in football. If he shows them they will turn into ole Miss for the time he is here. Or maybe you are right and he will leave because we are cheap. I hope he is good enough that we get to find out either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Kamario will not leave as long as Lebby is here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Maybe not- but until he has to turn down LSU/Oregon/Ohio St/Texas- etc- we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I agree with you. I actually sat down with his family after the spring game this year at the landing and had a meal / drinks with them and the strength coach (I don’t know them it was just a random encounter). They love it here and they love Lebby. You can tell it’s not just them saying it and they really do. I don’t see him leaving unless something crazy happens / Lebby leaves, but it is the portal era. I just think this situation would a not a normal one in this era and we are good there for now at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We can?t really worry too much about what happens with KT in the future. If he is getting offers from big time programs that means he most likely has a successful year and we win a lot of games.
agree with this also. Double edged swordQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Yea I would love to have to worry about losing a Heisman caliber quarterback rather than a coaching search because we suck. Give me those first world problems every year instead of this horseshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
But this is what you are missing- KT could have a great year and we still go 5-7. Then we are facing bidders for him while trying to decide if we need to make a coaching change. That is what we are looking at this Fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius