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For over a year now, I've read on this board and another board that Ole Miss has an actual AD, unlike State. Carter is a top notch AD who knows what he's doing and has his shit together.
So let me get this straight, everyone in the world knew Kiffin was leaving. Kiffin drug his balls all over Carter and then Carter instantly promoted their DC to head coach.
Yeah, he's really got his shit together.......
Didn’t he get run from Under Armor for using funds and the Under Armor all star game to help direct recruits to olemiss? Nothing illegal, i assume and that may not have been the real reason; but if it is he is in the right place. His job there is made easier b/c the fanbase will sell their kids to fund football.
That's Walker Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
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Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I think what they did was smart. This is not the year to be looking for a coach. Put guardrails in place to keep everything as much as it is as possible (what Keenum didn't do with Arnept). Sign him to a contract that is friendly to OM and give him a year's "audition." This give's Carter a year to evaluate potential candidates (if necessary). Pete is much more qualified/experienced to be a HC than Arnept was.
Hell no it wasnt. The smart thing would have been to let Lame coach the playoffs and during that time you could properly vet some coaches. Golding was still there for you 3-4 weeks from now. Carter and their people look like morons who couldnt handle getting broken up with. Their fanbase has been an embarrassment the last week. Total shitshowQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
They panicked, it's that simple. They have know this was coming and unlike them didn't get out in front of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Carter was dumb not to have been looking and privately interviewing. If I was AD there I wouldn't' let Kiffin coach playoffs either. How do you let someone coach your team when he is going to another school.
Bingo. They look like fools. Carter is a rookie AD but OM spin makes you think he is best there is. What a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Actually I don't think they knew it was coming. They are so arrogant, they thought no one in his right mind would leave the center of the Universe. We are the greatest. They were all talking that no way Lane would leave for LSU after gov comments, etc. OM is clueless about their own position in the world of college sports or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
We did the same thing hiring Arnett but our situation was much worse - we had no warning it was coming. We had the option to release Arnett and that is what we did. An audition is exactly what Arnett got.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Same i said. They should have let lane coach the playoffs and may have fit themselves in final 4 or 2 while hiring a top notch coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Carter didn't take charge, it's just that simple. Kiffin played with both Fl and Ole Dixie. They should have been like Saban and telling Kiffin they were not fooling around to either sign or be gone. I don't care how good of a coach is you can't let him control things! Hell, Kiffin has caused trouble everywhere he has been.
Tulane is doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
You make the best decision for your players to win in the playoff.
Whole lot of difference in Tulane coach and Kiffin. It should have never come down to the last-minute deciding. That is a terrible business. If Kiffin would have been allowed to Coach, I think he takes more players and coaches to Red Stick. Plus look how he bashed Carter and Ole Dixie now! There locker room is mess either way and again I blame Carter BUT I am happy what is being played out! LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
They knew, but the real leadership was trying to cling to a hope and the AD was caught in storm he couldn't get out of. Lets hope they return to the bunch of meddling shitheads they are. They backed off and let Kiffin run it his way and that looks to be now more.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Carter botched it no doubt. Once Kiffin hadn't signed the extension, he either should've been suspended or you let him see the whole season all the way through even though you know he is leaving. Instead Carter and Kiffin wanted to play a game of chicken to see who blinked first
KC screwed up when he tried to have it both ways. You have to suspend or let coach all the way through. The second he entertained the back and forth it spiraled out of control.
Personally if it was us I let him coach and try and make a run, the opportunity to be that good might not come again for a long time or ever. Plus if you keep the money in place for the next year and the perception that youre a new school powerhouse then your recruiting and new hire cant go that haywire.
The same way Florida did when Mullen took our job. You let them finish the job with the team and he can handle the other part as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Tulane is another example like we were with Mullen. Lame is going to get the same number of players from the Confederates whether he coached the playoffs or not. They are either a Lame guy or they arent by now. A couple more weeks wont make a differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
plus we did not try to save the offensive staff to keep continuity for a season. Ole Miss at least was trying to hold the staff together.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Carter got lucky in 2 coaching searches where other schools would not touch guys and he just went all in on character risks and hit it big. If there isn't a shady character guy that no one else wants he isn't any better than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Not letting Lane coach the playoffs was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They tried to act like they were worried about him poaching players (as if he won't get the ones he wants anyway) and then took the OC back to let him coach in the playoffs.....the same OC that is going to be at LSU. Guess he is different than Lane and won't be trying to do that. They were just mad they got shown that they were a bottom tier SEC program and were willing to throw away the only chance they will ever have to win anything meaningful in football. Dumbass move of the century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
100%. It's their only chance to win a natty and their AD flushed it over pride and ego. Typically for that group, but extremely short sited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Not hardly. This is insane. You would have forced a guy under an 8 year contract to make a decision? Oh really? How would you have done that? Fired him and paid his 50 million dollar buyout for not answering you when you demanded it when he's already under contract? You have zero leverage and if you're worried about people poaching players, why are you allowing the OC of LSU to be in your building for the next month? Is Tulane not worried about that? How about JMU? This is all just bull sh*t. The major difference between Tulane's situation and OM's situation is Tulane doesn't have a dumba$$ AD that tried to bully their head coach and give him an "ultimatum" a month before the season ended. Most coaches would react poorly to some idiot at a lesser program being so ungrateful to what you have done for their sh*tty a$$ program.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
^^^^thisQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
The situations are different. Tulane is a not a rival of UF's and likely Tulane has few players that Sumerall will want at UF.
There is no way they could have/should have left Lame stay and coach in the playoffs, absolutely way. OM is not going to win the natty this year anyway, no matter if Lame stayed or not. Have you guys not seen the OM fan reactions?
Dude, they don't have any realistic chance at the natty, come on, you can't be that naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Tell me a "name" coach they are going to get this year? Gruden or Urban are about the only two names left that would satisfy the fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
From what I've been hearing for weeks is the Carter has been on a coaching search (contacting agents) in the likely event that Kiffin was leaving, this wasn't a surprise to anyone. Certainly he didn't get any interest from a big enough name that would satisfy the fanbase. Roll with Pete in 2026, if he doesn't pan out, fire him early and be first inline during the next hiring cycle.
From everything I've read, Sumrall was who Carter wanted, but with UF being open Sumrall wasn't going to commit to OM.
We have lived that one. They’ll be in trouble next year. With everyone portaling out it will be a year or two rebuild. They won’t be down forever. Hopefully long enough for us to take control of the stateQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
The situations are not different. They are fine with Charlie Weiss being in the building. You think he is not going to be doing the same thing Lane would be doing? Newsflash: if Lane wants the players at Ole Miss they are going to LSU, whether they are in the building or not. Those 2 programs are not in the same league, which is why Kiffin left. Ole Miss is mad because they do not want to face that reality and that is the core of all of the hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
There are 12 teams that have a shot at the natty. Realistically.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Kiffin just drug his balls all over Carter's chin.......... He looks like an absolute clown after this fiasco........
You must not be paying attention. Have you not seen fan reaction to Kiffin leaving? ADs pay attention to fan perception, Charlie wasn't the target of their anger, Kiffin was/is, there was no way they could left Kiffin be the leader of the program, and run recruiting/portal for both programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Again OM fan considers LSU a hated rival and they play every year. After this, they will consider LSU a bigger rival than us.
There's absolutely no connection between Tulane and UF.
FIFY. Seriously, if Lane thought they had a realistic chance, he wouldn't have left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Yes, I saw it. The reason their fan reaction was that way was because their AD is a dumb@$$ and handled it poorly and threw it all on Kiffin after he made a bunch of ignorant decisions. If the people that covered that program would have been fed different information that didn't frame the best coach they have ever had as a villain for taking a much much much much much better job that is nowhere close to being on the same level as Ole Miss, there would be no fan reaction. He would have been able to leave gracefully. Instead, their meathead AD decided to poke the bear and paint the best coach they will ever have as a turd just because he didn't view Ole Miss as the mecca of college football and got his fanbase to hate the guy and now here we are. Carter and that administration caused all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Are you an Ole Miss fan or something? Lane could have had the 85 bears this year and he was leaving. LSU is an elite job that doesn't have to solely rely on the portal. LSU can actually use the portal as a supplemental piece and rely on home grown talent to fill a lot of the roster. Ole Miss is going to have to hit on an ultra high rate of portal guys every year which is really hard to do. The reason he's not coaching OM is because the OM AD is an idiot that threw the only chance they will ever have to win a title down the toilet. Kiffin did not want to leave prior to the playoffs being over.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
He tried to coach them bc he did think it was possible. He was forced out early but leaving had nothing to do with this years chancesQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
He could have strung LSU out even longer. Lane's value isn't going down any time soon, no matter if he stayed at OM and went 8-4 next season. If he thought OM had a chance, and he would know, he wouldn't have made his move when he did. Even if LSU moved on, there'll be another high profile job come open in the next year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
OM doesn't have a shot at the natty, the only teams that can challenge TOSU (based on the most recent playoff projections): first tier - UGA, Bama, Indiana. second tier - TAMU, Oregon. That's it.
No one, but folks on this board think OM will challenge for the natty.
Like i said, Carter screwed this situation. He should have suspended Kiffin from coaching and kept paying him. Kiffin would have had to make a deciision are file a law suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
If you never want to hire another coach with options again for as long as you are an AD you could do this. Holy hell what a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog