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Im calling him out again and dedicating a thread for him because its warranted. We are 2-3 in non conference with SMU, Utah and Georgia Tech still left in non conference play. We look terrible! I no longer want to hear anything about Jans being a defensive coach! So what! Im not impressed, we look horrible!. Thank God for Hubbard and Epps but hell, Epps was in the doghouse for whatever reason to start the season.
Let's just be honest, Jans success that he has had came from Howland's players!
And think about it, he barely got Hubbard.. if Kermit wasn't fired Hubb would be a rebel
Hey, I love a good melt down, and this start deserves it. With that said, he shouldn't even be on the hot seat for this abomination. He gets next year to fix it, and I think he will.
Hey bro this is not a meltdown... did I say anything that is false?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yea' another coach who "gets next year to fix it"!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
See, Lemonis, Chris. Ray, Rick. Croom, Sylvester. Sherrill, Jackie. Felker, Rockey.
Jans success came from howland's players, and at the same time giving Jans no credit for HubbardQuote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Jans has met expectations 3-3 years and this looks to make it 3-4Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
For new state fans, here's acceptable seasons for our programs...
Football: bowl game
MBK: ncaa tourney
Baseball: Super regional
Dont group Jans and Jackie into that category.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
We didnt even have Hubbard! It took Hermit getting fired for us to get him but regardless, we got him so I wont put Hubb in this mix.. but other than him, who has Jans brought in and developed? Ill waitQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well its a fact that Jans lost the recruiting battle to Kermit. And that Hubbard would not be here if Kermit hadn?t gotten fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This is the first roster that is 100% Jans. And it?s not pretty.
So Hubbard came here and hadn't left, but we can't give Jans any credit for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
I certainly don't want to see any Lebby supporters attacking Jans.
If Lebby was in year 4 and had made a bowl in each of the first 3 years, no one would be thinking about who the next coach will be right now. (And even that line isn't very generous to Jans, because I would argue that making the NIT is like making a lower level bowl, and an 8-4 type season is the equivalent of what Jans has done in his first 3 years).
Turns out that in the NIL era, guys dont want to play for a coach who is going to yell at them constantly and is nicknamed the Dentist due to style of play. Who could have guessed?Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Amazing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It only takes 8 players to be successful in bball. It takes about 30-45 to he successful in football. Great comparison though, but not surprising coming from you!
One has a 100% success rate so far, and 1 has a 0% rate so far. Hopefully, football gets a win to make it 50%. I would say the chance of football winning a home game and MBK making the ncaa tourney are equal right now though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
FWIW, MBK has 362 team competing for 68 spots while football has 136 teams competing for 94 spots (47 bowls)
Who cares and whats your point? And why is Lebby being discussed in this thread about Jans.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Lemonis and Jackie aren't in any category with Croom or Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
One won our only national championship and one played in our only SEC championship game so they probably deserved more chances to "fix it".
Rockey is a Dawg so we cut him some slack which was a bad idea.
If we can discuss Lemonis, Croom, Ray, Sherill, and Felker in a thread about Jans, why is St. Lebby off limits?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I literally quoted a post about football to MBK. Take your time and read itQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
So he made a dumbass post and you couldnt help yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I?ll chime in, we did a very poor job in the portal this year, retention from last year, and in high school recruiting up until this freshman class. What you are seeing is a product of that.
We missed on a bunch of guys in the portal, Hagerty for one. Jans style of play and personality 100% plays into their decisions.
At the end of the day, we are going to disagree about Jans. If you think Jans is going to take us to the next level of competing in the SEC/NCAA tournament, well you?re going to be sorely disappointed. Fourth year?..getting skull drug by non-SEC opponents. Please save the excuses, the purpose of playing teams in other conferences during the non conference is to build a resume to make the tournament. We?re not making the tournament this year, and will be lucky to make the NIT! He?s served his purpose, but he?s not taking us to the next level of competitiveness. I would love nothing more than to be wrong, but we?re 5 games in at 2-3, and our schedule is not getting softer. It sucks, but this is reality!
The shocking thing to me is the continued degradation of our defensive play. I think everyone can stop with 'the dentist' reference at this point for Jans. That has become a bit silly. Quincy Ballard may be the most offseason overhyped defensive basketball player I can ever remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
People on this board wanted Jan's extended and said we need to give him anything he wants (paraphrasing) at this time last year. I get a kick out of the basketball posts/threads every year at this time. I'll start watching in February if we're any good.
Here's another thing that keeps me up at night:
Everyone said we were going to be funding basketball more and that the team would be better. Now everyone's saying that we're going to fund football more and the team will be better.
Haggertys 2.5 million deal is looking like a bargain now. He would have been the perfect complement to Hubbard. But with our front court it might not have mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
One thing I will always be amazed by that Jans year one took the team to the NCAA tournament with no one on the team able to shoot a 3pointer. Yes he barely squeaked in but he was there. The man can coach! I don?t what has happened to this year?s team they look woefully bad.
It?s a direct reflection of who you?ve lost vs who you?ve replaced them with?
Yeah, awful job by Jans in the offseason. Good thing for him and us is every season is a new chance nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
Also concerned that the curse of John Cohen HC hires at MSU is alive and well. Even those he hired that looked good to start (i.e. Lemonis and Leach(due to his passing)) took a sour turn. And now it looks like Jans is following the same path as Lemonis. I still say Cohen as AD was a complete disaster from not funding NIL to running off Schaefer to lots of bad hires to no fund raising, etc. He was absolutely awful for us. Still shocking to me that Auburn hired him away from us (thank the Lord) and they are not exactly thriving with him.
No power in the post. No scorer at small forward. Epps and Hub are good, although Hub hurts us defensively.. Nowoko would have helped big time
Hubbard and Jans haven?t won anything. Neither did Howland though.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We want a deep run team. It?s that simple. We want a deep run team in every sport. Baseball, then football, and last basketball. Women?s sports don?t matter, but if they did Women?s Basketball I guess. Maybe soccer. I love our soccer team, but who really cares.
Also, can we get an IPhone friendly site. It is just the best selling phone in the history of the world.
I would love to have a deep run in every sport. We've never did it in football and once in MBK 29 years ago, so maybe your expectations are... well, insaneQuote:
Originally Posted by archdog
Our boosters made sure Hubb was coming here the second Ole Miss fired Kermit. He fell into Jans lap. Yall can argue if he gets credit for it or not, I don?t care, but that?s the straightforward inside the locker room truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by archdog