Poll Question: Should we fire Lebby if we finish 4-8 (0-8)?

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10-26-2025, 02:38 PM
Quaoarsking

Poll Question: Should we fire Lebby if we finish 4-8 (0-8)?

Regardless of the result, take note, Selmon. I know people from the Athletic Department read this board.
10-26-2025, 02:39 PM
StarkVegasSteve

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.
10-26-2025, 02:43 PM
parabrave

Nope he gets another year. But unless he starts developing KT then we will be worse next year. He is married to RPO and won't adjust to the players he has. BTW MVB looked dam good in mop up duty last night.
10-26-2025, 02:53 PM
EdwardDrayton

If 0-16? Absolutely.
10-26-2025, 03:49 PM
War Machine Dawg

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.
10-26-2025, 03:51 PM
Quaoarsking

Quote:

Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.
10-26-2025, 04:02 PM
War Machine Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.
10-26-2025, 04:03 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

And who is the upgrade. Known upgrade??? Doesn't exist. Yes there might be a coach that is better. But it's going to be another assistant or some low level g6 guy that's a crapshoot. And we will get nobody in the portal this year in a change.
10-26-2025, 04:10 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

So should Vandy have fired Clark Lea??? Just asking
10-26-2025, 04:12 PM
parabrave

Quote:

Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

One worry from some sports peeps is that Wall street Hedge funds getting involved. Now that will destroy the sport.
10-26-2025, 04:13 PM
Quaoarsking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

So should Vandy have fired Clark Lea??? Just asking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.
10-26-2025, 04:15 PM
Charlie_Sheen420

I cannot defend 0-16
10-26-2025, 04:25 PM
War Machine Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

Exactly. No coach you can name that's worth a damn started 0 for conference play in his first two years. Mostly because they get fired for that kind of performance. The few that got more time were all fired shortly thereafter because they never really turned it around.
10-26-2025, 04:26 PM
Dawgology

Quote:

Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.
10-26-2025, 04:26 PM
Coach34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

And then 0-8 in Y3
10-26-2025, 04:27 PM
Pancho

get KT to grasp what is involved with the P in RPO first
10-26-2025, 04:34 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgology

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

For the record the people that brought in O'Connor were mostly former baseball players and one MLB agent who made millions in MLB.

It wasn't like some random millionaires in Jackson or something like that.
10-26-2025, 04:34 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

This is my answer.
10-26-2025, 04:41 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

Then went 2-10 0-8 his third year. So????
10-26-2025, 04:41 PM
DownwardDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancho

get KT to grasp what is involved with the P in RPO first

KT will be a stud in a Malzahn/Mullen spread offense. Gonna be fun watching him wherever he is next season.
10-26-2025, 04:41 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgology

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

That just not true. Sounds good but not true.
10-26-2025, 04:42 PM
DownwardDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is my answer.

Me too.
10-26-2025, 04:51 PM
Thick

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.
10-26-2025, 05:04 PM
Catfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thick

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.

I totally agree with this.
10-26-2025, 05:26 PM
Quaoarsking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thick

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.
10-26-2025, 06:06 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.

He didn't mention Toledo. But our talent was trash last year. Trash. You and mstate cans keep kicking the shit out of the dead horse. We get your stances.
10-26-2025, 06:10 PM
Dawgology

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

That just not true. Sounds good but not true.

I’ve got a close friend in fundraising at the University of Alabama. He’s high up in the ranks and well connected. He started at state. You can pretend it’s not true and take the po’ ol’ State route if you want but I’ve got it from the horses mouth. It’s true. We are ill organized when it comes to football fundraising. It’s one of the reasons he left.
10-26-2025, 06:13 PM
Thick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.

That?s how bad our talent was!! What?s delusional is thinking you should shit can him! One more thing?..I will scream this at the top of my lungs. You can?t take a freshman QB from this state and expect him to be successful in this league. That?s DELUSIONAL!! Plus our fanbase would roast his ass immediately, and call Lebby an idiot for starting him.
10-26-2025, 06:13 PM
bulldawg28

Quote:

Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

Our losses have nothing to do with NIL, nada. This year showed us that we have enough NIL to compete and win.
10-26-2025, 06:15 PM
Coursesuper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

That just not true. Sounds good but not true.

But it makes them feel good to repeat this to each other. If they say it enough it has to be true. Cant let that pesky reality get in the way.
10-26-2025, 06:19 PM
Coursesuper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgology

I’ve got a close friend in fundraising at the University of Alabama. He’s high up in the ranks and well connected. He started at state. You can pretend it’s not true and take the po’ ol’ State route if you want but I’ve got it from the horses mouth. It’s true. We are ill organized when it comes to football fundraising. It’s one of the reasons he left.

Were. And thankfully that administration is no more and things are beginning to come together. This is a huge and not 17ing it up is paramount. That said we do not have a bottomless pit of funding. Sadly none of the Drummonds went to school here.
10-26-2025, 06:50 PM
Maverick91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgology

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

Like is 🍣 getting things together to court them?
10-26-2025, 07:00 PM
Quaoarsking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thick

That?s how bad our talent was!! What?s delusional is thinking you should shit can him! One more thing?..I will scream this at the top of my lungs. You can?t take a freshman QB from this state and expect him to be successful in this league. That?s DELUSIONAL!! Plus our fanbase would roast his ass immediately, and call Lebby an idiot for starting him.

I've never called for a freshman QB to play, so I don't know who your comment is directed at.
10-26-2025, 07:04 PM
Quaoarsking

Fascinating how it's over 80% "No" here and majority "Yes" on Sixpack.
10-26-2025, 07:14 PM
Behrdawg

Without question.
10-26-2025, 07:18 PM
MoreCowbell

No. We have had some real let downs but you can?t ignore the progress made. As long as we continue to progress and build you keep him.
10-26-2025, 07:21 PM
Turfdawg67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

Maybe, just maybe we didn?t get blown out by UT, UF and UT BECAUSE of Lebby? We all know their roster on paper is much better than ours.
10-26-2025, 07:24 PM
Turfdawg67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

And then 0-8 in Y3

Oh my. Good thing they saw something in him.
10-26-2025, 07:26 PM
Turfdawg67

I’m voting no, but it’ll really depend on how those final 4 defeats happen.
10-26-2025, 07:26 PM
Quaoarsking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Maybe, just maybe we didn?t get blown out by UT, UF and UT BECAUSE of Lebby? We all know their roster on paper is much better than ours.

You can argue that for Tennessee, but Florida is a bad and terribly coached team that has played everyone close, and Texas has also been underperforming all year. I wasn't surprised we were close with those, but I was surprised that we were lined up to win before Lebby blew it.

Is any Kentucky fan impressed with Stoops for losing to Texas in overtime? Did beating Florida help Brian Kelly keep his job? Nobody else is taking Florida or Texas seriously, so why should we accept self-inflected losses to them?

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