Alcorn State game

First of all, I want to say I LOVE playing the in state SWAC schools and if I were the AD that's pretty much all we would play as far as FCS teams go. I think it's just good for the state of Mississippi. And yeah, I'm OK playing USM every now and then too. Like twice every six years is good enough for me.

Now, that said this is another opportunity for MSU to build perception. And what I want to see MSU do is score at least 60 on Alcorn. This is a page from the Ole Miss playbook of perception. Blow someone out that is a smaller school and put up a ridiculous number of points and then have everyone talk about how explosive your offense is. That's how we need to follow up our win over Arizona State was of course massive for perception in and of itself.

The gaudy offensive numbers help with recruiting and it makes it look like fun to play in if you are an offensive recruit.

So, let's not be "rational" MSU fans and talk about how "yeah, we scored a lot of points but it was Alcorn- we should score 65." And I don't want to see "We really ran it up on Alcorn- was that necessary?" if we are so fortunate enough to be able to play well enough to score a ton. Because the answer is yes, it is necessary for perception and Alcorn is getting a nice check from MSU so they will be fine.

Now- and I'm being really random here I know- I used to LOVE watching the SWAC highlights from Rob Jay on Sports Journal on Channel 3 in Jackson. Especially when Steve McNair was at Alcorn. Absolutely incredible stuff! I wanted him to win the Heisman so bad even though I knew it wasn't going to happen. He was a special talent.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

First of all, I want to say I LOVE playing the in state SWAC schools and if I were the AD that's pretty much all we would play as far as FCS teams go. I think it's just good for the state of Mississippi. And yeah, I'm OK playing USM every now and then too. Like twice every six years is good enough for me.

Now, that said this is another opportunity for MSU to build perception. And what I want to see MSU do is score at least 60 on Alcorn. This is a page from the Ole Miss playbook of perception. Blow someone out that is a smaller school and put up a ridiculous number of points and then have everyone talk about how explosive your offense is. That's how we need to follow up our win over Arizona State was of course massive for perception in and of itself.

The gaudy offensive numbers help with recruiting and it makes it look like fun to play in if you are an offensive recruit.

So, let's not be "rational" MSU fans and talk about how "yeah, we scored a lot of points but it was Alcorn- we should score 65." And I don't want to see "We really ran it up on Alcorn- was that necessary?" if we are so fortunate enough to be able to play well enough to score a ton. Because the answer is yes, it is necessary for perception and Alcorn is getting a nice check from MSU so they will be fine.

Now- and I'm being really random here I know- I used to LOVE watching the SWAC highlights from Rob Jay on Sports Journal on Channel 3 in Jackson. Especially when Steve McNair was at Alcorn. Absolutely incredible stuff! I wanted him to win the Heisman so bad even though I knew it wasn't going to happen. He was a special talent.

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I agree 100%. We have momentum and the media really likes us right now. Let's take advantage of an opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

First of all, I want to say I LOVE playing the in state SWAC schools and if I were the AD that's pretty much all we would play as far as FCS teams go. I think it's just good for the state of Mississippi. And yeah, I'm OK playing USM every now and then too. Like twice every six years is good enough for me.

Now, that said this is another opportunity for MSU to build perception. And what I want to see MSU do is score at least 60 on Alcorn. This is a page from the Ole Miss playbook of perception. Blow someone out that is a smaller school and put up a ridiculous number of points and then have everyone talk about how explosive your offense is. That's how we need to follow up our win over Arizona State was of course massive for perception in and of itself.

The gaudy offensive numbers help with recruiting and it makes it look like fun to play in if you are an offensive recruit.

So, let's not be "rational" MSU fans and talk about how "yeah, we scored a lot of points but it was Alcorn- we should score 65." And I don't want to see "We really ran it up on Alcorn- was that necessary?" if we are so fortunate enough to be able to play well enough to score a ton. Because the answer is yes, it is necessary for perception and Alcorn is getting a nice check from MSU so they will be fine.

Now- and I'm being really random here I know- I used to LOVE watching the SWAC highlights from Rob Jay on Sports Journal on Channel 3 in Jackson. Especially when Steve McNair was at Alcorn. Absolutely incredible stuff! I wanted him to win the Heisman so bad even though I knew it wasn't going to happen. He was a special talent.

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I want 70 points and agree on all the above

I would love 60 but not at the cost of a cheap 2nd half injury. Let’s run it up 1st half and then let our 2 & 3 QB get some reps. Just don’t neuter their playbook.

Please please please let's not be that douchebag program that hangs 70 on them.

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

I would love 60 but not at the cost of a cheap 2nd half injury. Let’s run it up 1st half and then let our 2 & 3 QB get some reps. Just don’t neuter their playbook.

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THIS. Far too often we put in QB 2 and get ultra conservative instead of pushing for real-game experience. There is no better way to prep then running full speed.
Let Kro spin it in the 3rd (or even half way through the 2nd if we are up more than 21-0) and let Taylor run the 4th.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Please please please let's not be that douchebag program that hangs 70 on them.

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I mean I think it would only be a douche move if it's your first string still dumping points on them late in the game. Nothing douche about the backups scoring in a blowout.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Please please please let's not be that douchebag program that hangs 70 on them.

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It's not about Ole Miss.
Throw any school out there in the Top 25, and they don't let off the gas in these games. They run 2s and 3s at full speed, full playbook, and get them real experience.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

THIS. Far too often we put in QB 2 and get ultra conservative instead of pushing for real-game experience. There is no better way to prep then running full speed.
Let Kro spin it in the 3rd (or even half way through the 2nd if we are up more than 21-0) and let Taylor run the 4th.

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Yep. Let the backups get full playbook experience. I want to see both QBs run our offense. Heck I want to see them run the offense with all other starters still in the game.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

It's not about Ole Miss.
Throw any school out there in the Top 25, and they don't let off the gas in these games. They run 2s and 3s at full speed, full playbook, and get them real experience.

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Case in point, Ohio State last week. They looked very pedestrian against Texas and took it out on Grambling. Nobody was bitching Saturday about the #1 team in the country beating up on a SWAC school.

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

I would love 60 but not at the cost of a cheap 2nd half injury. Let’s run it up 1st half and then let our 2 & 3 QB get some reps. Just don’t neuter their playbook.

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This

Rock and Roll in the 1st half. Then get Chicken Hawk in there for the 3rd and Noxubee Nightmare to play the 4th. Let them play ball and not just hand off. Get some growth

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Originally Posted by Coach34

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Rock and Roll in the 1st half. Then get Chicken Hawk in there for the 3rd and Noxubee Nightmare to the to play the 4th. Let them play ball and not just hand off. Get some growth

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This 100%. all these guys on the roster came to play, not watch. They also need real game reps and deserve them for their hard work and dedication. Hail State!

We need to be up 28-0 at the end of the 1st and start getting Kromenhoek some snaps and let him and Taylor handle the rest of the game. We really need to get a lot of snaps for Rickey Johnson, Ayden Williams, Markus Allen, Cam Thompson, Sanfrisco Magee, and Jaron Glover. Because we need a 3rd WR to emerge and overtake Moseley. Also, don't be shocked if Moseley has a huge game. These are usually the types of teams he feeds on.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

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Rock and Roll in the 1st half. Then get Chicken Hawk in there for the 3rd and Noxubee Nightmare to play the 4th. Let them play ball and not just hand off. Get some growth

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Yep I want starters out by half and see some Hawk and Taylor 2nd half. Still score 60 with backups. The future is coming

Completely agreed. These games are the ones you learn that you can put your foot on someone's throat and suffocate them. This team must learn this skill.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

It's not about Ole Miss.
Throw any school out there in the Top 25, and they don't let off the gas in these games. They run 2s and 3s at full speed, full playbook, and get them real experience.

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That doesn't make it right.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

That doesn't make it right.

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We paying them to be there. Eff their feelings. If you don’t want to see an ugly score, don’t schedule the SEC. Way more harmful to us to only score 35 than for them to give up 70.

Those of y’all saying it is not right to run up the score against a school with lesser means. Do y’all think people were getting upset about Bama scoring 73 on Louisiana Monroe or Ohio State scoring 70 on Grambling or the fake plantation owners running up score on anyone they can. NO! Alcorn knows why they are playing this game and they know they will get beaten soundly. Old statement that says their job is to stop us and our job is to score. They don’t stop us is not our fault.

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

Those of y’all saying it is not right to run up the score against a school with lesser means. Do y’all think people were getting upset about Bama scoring 73 on Louisiana Monroe or Ohio State scoring 70 on Grambling or the fake plantation owners running up score on anyone they can. NO! Alcorn knows why they are playing this game and they know they will get beaten soundly. Old statement that says their job is to stop us and our job is to score. They don’t stop us is not our fault.

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Au contraire. The answer is emphatically YES!

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

We paying them to be there. Eff their feelings. If you don’t want to see an ugly score, don’t schedule the SEC. Way more harmful to us to only score 35 than for them to give up 70.

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NO ONE said limit the scoring to 35. Only not hang 70 on them. But nice try with that.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

That doesn't make it right.

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Dont like getting smoked, stop us. Or don't schedule us. It's not our job to stop ourselves...we have a gauntlet to build depth for.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Au contraire. The answer is emphatically YES!

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Oh, gee gosh Wally, we all know sportsmanship is the bees knees. How will I ever get my Eagle Scout Badge if we are mean to our friends from Alcorn?

It's really a moot point anyway. We're not scoring 70 with backup players anyway. We'll never be Bama or Ohio State.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Oh, gee gosh Wally, we all know sportsmanship is the bees knees. How will I ever get my Eagle Scout Badge if we are mean to our friends from Alcorn?

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Yeah with NIL comes "your feelings don't matter". We have mouths to feed on this team, and letting them play our normal offense is how you keep kids from transferring out. Nobody wants to play the last quarter and line up for hand offs up the middle...they'll say peace out after the season. Feed these guys, and keep them. We can't afford to lose all of our young talent that's not quite ready to start every offseason

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Oh, gee gosh Wally, we all know sportsmanship is the bees knees. How will I ever get my Eagle Scout Badge if we are mean to our friends from Alcorn?

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Yeah Tony Dow's character had character. Not something to make fun of. Unless of course you don't value that. Which ......

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yeah with NIL comes "your feelings don't matter". We have mouths to feed on this team, and letting them play our normal offense is how you keep kids from transferring out. Nobody wants to play the last quarter and line up for hand offs up the middle...they'll say peace out after the season. Feed these guys, and keep them. We can't afford to lose all of our young talent that's not quite ready to start every offseason

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Don't mismatch. Has nothing to do with 'feelings'. It's about being honorable.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Dont like getting smoked, stop us. Or don't schedule us. It's not our job to stop ourselves...we have a gauntlet to build depth for.

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Never going to be an issue if we use our backups.

We aren't scoring 70.

We are working on cleaning up some run blocking issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire first half is heavy run schemes.

We'll be playing everybody on defense. We're going to need that experience down the road.

I can see us scoring in the low 50s on this one.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

We aren't scoring 70.

We are working on cleaning up some run blocking issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire first half is heavy run schemes.

We'll be playing everybody on defense. We're going to need that experience down the road.

I can see us scoring in the low 50s on this one.

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One thing I think we might need to do as fans in general- myself included- is give Arizona State a lot more credit for being really good. They're a veteran team and their strength last year was stopping the run. So right now I'm not too worried about our run game. I do think the run game is something we need to develop and I'd like to see Gayten, Davis, and Daniels get a few touches but at the same time we also need to develop and find some receivers that can help us in addition to Thompson and Evans. So, I think part of the game plan will be trying to get guys like Ayden Williams a little more involved so that they can be more of a factor in SEC play for us.

We also need to get Kroemenhoek some experience and Kamario too for that matter. And their running is on point but we need to develop them as passers too. KT hasn't thrown a pass in college yet and if Shapen goes down and he is the back up that's getting close to the situation we were in with MVB last year.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yeah with NIL comes "your feelings don't matter". We have mouths to feed on this team, and letting them play our normal offense is how you keep kids from transferring out. Nobody wants to play the last quarter and line up for hand offs up the middle...they'll say peace out after the season. Feed these guys, and keep them. We can't afford to lose all of our young talent that's not quite ready to start every offseason

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Exactly. We have to throw our younger players a bone or they're going to leave.

Plus, with Kamario Taylor if he performs well it will show high school recruits what our potential future QB looks like.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

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Rock and Roll in the 1st half. Then get Chicken Hawk in there for the 3rd and Noxubee Nightmare to play the 4th. Let them play ball and not just hand off. Get some growth

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Stop trying to make fetch happen.

The Chrome Hawk is better anyways. And Super Kamario is already a thing.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Please please please let's not be that douchebag program that hangs 70 on them.

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You're correct. Let's be the douchebag program that hangs 80.


#ScoreFromFar

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You're correct. Let's be the douchebag program that hangs 80.


#ScoreFromFar

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They will line up and play cover 4 all day inviting us to run, run, run.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

They will line up and play cover 4 all day inviting us to run, run, run.

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They can set their corners 10-12 yds off the ball and have their safeties damn near in prevent and it won't matter. There's going to be plenty of SEC teams that can't cover Thompson and Evans. They may both have 150 yds and 2 TDS......at the half.

But I do expect that both Fluff and Booth will break a big one.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You're correct. Let's be the douchebag program that hangs 80.


#ScoreFromFar

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That's what I'm talking about!

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

They will line up and play cover 4 all day inviting us to run, run, run.

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It also would be inviting us to make some short throws in space against zone and hopefully allow us to get some receivers touches and confidence.

All for that game plan!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

First of all, I want to say I LOVE playing the in state SWAC schools and if I were the AD that's pretty much all we would play as far as FCS teams go. I think it's just good for the state of Mississippi. And yeah, I'm OK playing USM every now and then too. Like twice every six years is good enough for me.

Now, that said this is another opportunity for MSU to build perception. And what I want to see MSU do is score at least 60 on Alcorn. This is a page from the Ole Miss playbook of perception. Blow someone out that is a smaller school and put up a ridiculous number of points and then have everyone talk about how explosive your offense is. That's how we need to follow up our win over Arizona State was of course massive for perception in and of itself.

The gaudy offensive numbers help with recruiting and it makes it look like fun to play in if you are an offensive recruit.

So, let's not be "rational" MSU fans and talk about how "yeah, we scored a lot of points but it was Alcorn- we should score 65." And I don't want to see "We really ran it up on Alcorn- was that necessary?" if we are so fortunate enough to be able to play well enough to score a ton. Because the answer is yes, it is necessary for perception and Alcorn is getting a nice check from MSU so they will be fine.

Now- and I'm being really random here I know- I used to LOVE watching the SWAC highlights from Rob Jay on Sports Journal on Channel 3 in Jackson. Especially when Steve McNair was at Alcorn. Absolutely incredible stuff! I wanted him to win the Heisman so bad even though I knew it wasn't going to happen. He was a special talent.

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I worked with one of his WRs that was actually in his recruiting class with him. He was heavily recruited as a safety by everyone in the SEC. He went to Alcorn because his brother did and they only recruited him as a QB.

Jackie Sherrill told him that he could be a hall of fame safety.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

One thing I think we might need to do as fans in general- myself included- is give Arizona State a lot more credit for being really good. They're a veteran team and their strength last year was stopping the run. So right now I'm not too worried about our run game. I do think the run game is something we need to develop and I'd like to see Gayten, Davis, and Daniels get a few touches but at the same time we also need to develop and find some receivers that can help us in addition to Thompson and Evans. So, I think part of the game plan will be trying to get guys like Ayden Williams a little more involved so that they can be more of a factor in SEC play for us.

We also need to get Kroemenhoek some experience and Kamario too for that matter. And their running is on point but we need to develop them as passers too. KT hasn't thrown a pass in college yet and if Shapen goes down and he is the back up that's getting close to the situation we were in with MVB last year.

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Agree, ASU has got a really good team. I think they are better than last year. We beat a really good team. I think now I can say we have a good team, not just improved. We absolutely can win 6-7 games just playing to our potential.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I worked with one of his WRs that was actually in his recruiting class with him. He was heavily recruited as a safety by everyone in the SEC. He went to Alcorn because his brother did and they only recruited him as a QB.

Jackie Sherrill told him that he could be a hall of fame safety.

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Jackie did say that as part of his recruiting, along with all the other big time programs. Jackie actually recruited him as a QB. The family felt that Jackie was only going to give him a shot at QB though and try to move him to safety quickly. There was a track record of that with Jackie and a QB at TAM that got moved quickly to safety. That is first hand information from Monk and Freddie. Miami was recruiting him hard too as a safety.

I have so much State Fan PTSD that I'm nervous about every single score assumption in this thread.