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It?s going to cost a lot of money to keep him
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It?s going to cost a lot of money to keep him
Remember when people were shocked Saban got paid 3.7M to coach at Bama? Then everyone else started paying that for HCs too. Remember everyone freaking out at OCs/DCs making over a million? Then that became the norm. Remember Newton making $180k? Now that's like, what it takes to keep the backup. NIL is the same- starting out, everyone thinks a few hundred K should be enough. Well guess what, even Vandy boosters now pay 2M for a QB that can help them barely become bowl eligible.
This entire time, all we had to do was see the trend of bigger spending and actually get ahead of it. Instead, State (and most of college football, to be fair) go "what do we have to spend to not be embarrassing?". Well guess what? The NIL it takes to "not be embarrassing" in 2025 could have been enough to put us ahead of the game in 2021, but our boosters wanted to pretend they wouldn't get to 2025 spending so held off on it. Vandy too- they could have had a Heisman level QB for $2m if they just accepted reality 4 years earlier.
Like I have no right to complain about boosters who all give infinitely more than me. I understand they're giving a lot and get nothing back. But like, they aren't giving to get a return, they're giving out of a desire to see us win, or at least not be a joke. Every year they look at the college athletics landscape and somehow decide to give even more than the "a lot' they already were. If we could just get them to mentally jump ahead 4-5 years and start donating that now, we could actually compete. If I was rich, I'd rather donate $0 or enough to make us fun to watch vs an amount that will make us go 7-5. What's the point in that?
How much did we pay Chrome-in-hawk? Wasn't the speculation it was close to $1mil?
After reading those costs for a quarter back that are 18-20yrs old imo is beyond stupid. This escalation of paying college football players stupid amounts of money and they can leave at any time is just plain wrong. It actually makes me mad that college football players will make in one year what most people make in half time of working their whole adult life. While a lot of college regular college students come out of college with a debt.
This also goes for the amounts being paid for head coaches and assistant coaches. It’s just stupid. I hope the whole system implodes on its self and we can stop this runaway train.
I couldn?t imagine a lot of people spending that type of money for 8-4 seasons? I could be wrong and there could be THAT many stupid, but rich, people in the world.
Most rich folks expect a return on investment.
I totally agree, I am turned off about college football now days. Fact is I can't name 3 players on our roster, that is kind of sad, but this NIL is a killer for me. I want see or watch the first two games, I will be in Alaska enjoying life with my wife and friends. I will watch our games when I get back but no longer buy season tickets. I am more interested in basketball and of course baseball has me excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranchdawg
Lastly, I will always pull for Msu but it want kill me when we lose anymore. I graduated in 1973, and I have been retired for a couple years, enjoying life and traveling is way more fun than watching the NIL kill college sports.
Ditto. I have almost zero interest in college football anymore due to nil and portal. I have other things that interest me more in my retirement. I guess we are beating a dead horse at this point tho as there is no going back.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
It's the transfer portal that's the issue. NIL doesn't spiral to these amounts without free range free agency driving the cost of securing transfer players / keeping your own.
So if a large group of fans wanted to file a class action lawsuit to try and stop this, who would the suit have to target?
I don't know the spot on number but from everything I've heard it was mid 6 figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Off subject, but that Vandy QB looks like he's 35.
Well hell by the time he stops suing for additional eligibility he probably will be. Because I can guarantee you he's going to try to get another year. He's going to try to get both his NMMI years erased and get a COVID year to give him 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawglb
Yep. I saw the writing on the wall when Kylin Hill got the whole state to grovel from White guilt and change the state flag instead of telling the little jackass to STFU and play football. Then he still quit after 5 games. I was horrified. And now we have to pay players, they get unlimited transfers and you have to renegotiate with them (be extorted by them) every year? Nope. I'm done. I'm way more excited by the Premier League than college football. Never thought I'd say that, but here I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
It's both. Players are always going to follow the money. MVB is willing to sit on the bench and take more money than he would to start for us this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
He wanted an outrageous sum to stay and a guaranteed starter position. Lebby doesn't play those bullshit games.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Not really. He got that much to be LSU's back-up. That's the cost of having guys that can play.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Not the story that was floating on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I fully support Lebby not naming him the starter- but the money aspect was in no way outrageous given today's market
In other news, water is indeed wet.
It was outrageous for MSU to pay that much to a back up who may have actually ended up 3 string at State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Who was offering Pavia even 1/2 that money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
For 1M more, Vandy could take Carson Beck or the Michigan QB. It's only 0.5M short of Oklahoma's QB.
If our athletic program is the “real deal” then we will pay it. But that’s the problem…
But if we don't pay for the backup then our options would've been an injury prone Shapen and a true Freshman with accuracy issues, and make no mistake Kamario is struggling with accuracy. It's why he's running 3rd team. Did we overpay for Kromenhoek? Debatable. I don't personally believe we did because we went out and got a guy that, if/when Shapen goes down, you feel comfortable starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
He is better than our current back-upQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Simple fix... make them employees and then you can limit transfers through contracts. Universities don't want to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
They are making the University money, affect enrollment greatly and should be allowed to earn at a reasonable rate. Without some sort of control with the employee/employer relationship then we will see this spiral until people decide it's not worth it.
A fix, yes but not so simple. If they are employees of a public university, i.e. state employees, you won't have consistent contracts across the board. Different states with different employment language and terms. Not to mention the enormous added cost of retirement, taxes, benefits paid by the school. Then you have private universities thrown into the mix. Not to mention what happens with Title IX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
The cleanest solution probably at this point is football separate entities with collective bargaining and contracts. How to make the division between the football club and the university separate but still maintaining a cooperative between them, would be the more difficult part to work out.