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for helping turn the Ship around. Before you took over we had no chance of making the postseason and now depending on how we do at Hoover may end up a 2 seed. And remember the postseason is a new season, just ask OM and the '21 team. No one knows what will happen except for one thing and that is Arky choking in the regionals.
No doubt parabrave. Big shoutout to Parker for bringing the best out of this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
To be successful it starts with your HC.
In all fairness, we likely have a similar result if Lem stayed. That's why he was fired when he was.
All that said, I think Parker will be a star.
I agree with this. Mizzou was so dreadful we could have had someone's dog coach and we probably sweep them. Kentucky isn't that good and we consistently beat Ole Miss in baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Based on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
No way we finish 9-1 with Lem
Parker and Jake both deserve credit for holding things together
Absolutely thank you for making it fun again. State needed this bad. Since Leach has passed all we have had is first round losses in hoops and underachievement. To be honest even last year with Lemonis wasnt much fun except for the governors cup night and beating LSU.
Based on every gme since the Vandy natty there is no way you could assume we beat UK or OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Absolutely NOT; I do not for one minute believe the result would have been the same had Lem stayed!! This team is playing markedly better since Parker took over.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
I do agree that Parker COULD be a star in the making.
Not a chance. No way in hail we would have won the ole miss series and no way we sweep Kentucky. Probably would have lost that series. Based on what you might ask??? Hard evidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Lemonis literally had a winning record every year against Ole Miss every year he was here including 2022 and 2023 his two worst seasons. And with the series being in Starkville- yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume he would have won that series against them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Kentucky is simply not that good. They didn't even win 30 regular season games this year.
And this year Lemon would've snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory. Hey Lem got fired when he did because of his decision making that last series. Putting Cupp back in, not knowing when to pull his pitchers and face it Hines was starting to go back to being a rally killer. It was like he was trying to get fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Exactly. "Fundamentals" didnt have a ****ing thing to do with us hitting 15 HR's this weekend or Siary striking out 15 vs Mississippi to have the game of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
We all agree Lemon needed to go. Nobody disputes that. But its same coaches doing the same shit. The only thing that is different is that Parker may have a different way in dealing with the team vs just the pitchers.
Since we started putting out the same line-up- they went 12-6 in the SEC. Before that was the constant tinkering. Thats why we started winning games
No way in the world. The team had quit on lemon and ready for it to be over. The new atmosphere created from the remaining coaching and putting everyone in the right position is making all the difference. Also, Parker's motivation style is working.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Nope, we'd lose 1 to UK, lose the series OM, eh probably wins Mizzou anyway. So yeah he racks up some wins but loses some.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
You look at our loses and weekends. This team could easily be top 5 right now with some clutch moments or just no stupid moves.
I don?t know what it was about Lem, but for some reason, the players just played tight under him. That wasn?t just a this year thing either. Even though we won 40 overall and 17 in conference last year, there were 5 conference games that we lost where we should have won.
I don't think players played tight, to me it was more lack of motivation or drive. You got to communicate in the clubhouse during the weeks and months. No doubt our schedule played into this streak, but Parker has made some difference. Players are having fun and that is plus as the same with our fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
If you can't tell that this team played different and improved since Lemonis left, you don't know ball or you have an agenda to push.
agree totally. no way would the team have played at the Parker level had Lemo still been in the dugout.
Parker is more engaging with the players, and not tinkering. We talk about swagger, and the IT factor, and sometimes the coach at the top exudes that. A difference in who is running the ship, even with the schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We could not hit like that even against those Quad 3 and 4 teams early in the year with Lemonis screwing around with the best lineup.
Hey Base, I sent you a PM, if you can check.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
thanks
I dont disagree with this. His attitude when dealing with the entire team now certainly has helped. I'm just saying no big changes were made. The guys are now playing the way they were expected to play. Beans has a 16 games hitting streak now. Before that he was batting about .200 in the SEC- that's been a huge lift to the offense the last 16 games. Frei playing everyday made us better. Pitchers coming in and pitching better has made us better. It's just a few guys here and there playing better ball has gotten this team over that hump it neededQuote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Powell catching every meaningful inning since lemonis was fired has been big. Should have been the case since day 1. That and settling SS, 2B, and LF would have probably saved Lemonis job.
Not to overhype the freshmens ***, but Foster coming back, might be another arrow for Parker if he knocks off the rust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Foster and McPherson may be huge for post season. At the very least, they get that experience for next year , assuming we NIL them well.
These are some good recruits by Parker. I really felt he was recruiting better for us, not to mention what he is bringing in this off season from HS and maybe portal
Back at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
If we're honest with ourselves, we're afraid to admit Parker has made a difference because he's not the one we want to get the job. I personally believe the team has played looser and had a lot more fun than they were before Lemon was fired. Credit to Parker for that. With that said, we must be told NO by several candidates before considering him. Truthfully, Gaut has more of a right to the job than JP.
Recruiting to Starkville for the family move, is just as much as anything.
Either way it helps sell the program for the next guy coming in. Yes we fired our hc that won a NC but look at what we have. It isn't a rebuild, we can win now...etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Didn't we just win best small town in the South or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
It may be BS but we weren't winning it before a couple of years ago.
Yes, should heard my Ole Dixie friends, said it was BS till I showed them the article. Killed them. Oh it probably hurt some feeling on here**. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
True- people are concerned Parker could pull an Arnett and they are smart and wise to consider this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Difference to the Arnettgate:
(1) we liked Leach, hate lemons
(2) leach died and lemons was fired
(3) Arnett had no prestige and was only attracting D-grade assistants like the Barbay clown
(4) Arnett only won that poorly coached and scrappy Illinois game
(5) Parker has a bigger sample size 9 SEC games, now the SECT, an NCAA Regional coming up, hopefully a Super, and hopefully an Omaha.
(6) we might see a few weeks of portal action before a decision
(7) we might see Parker and/or Goat become candidates for jobs
(9) nobody the echelon of BOC was a candidate in football
Reasons Parker is suspect still:
(1) he was here all year
(2) did not win any big portal pitcher recruits
(3) no South Carolina pitchers came last year after they fired Kingston
(4) he recruited Pruitt
(5) no team USA players he coached transferred to MSU
(6) MSU won games that MSU usually wins with Parker, thus far (still has a regional to win)
(7) Parker would not be a candidate for Vandy, LSU, Texas, Georgia, or Florida if someone snaked their coach.
(8) LSU would hire Wes Johnson
(9) Vandy would hire BOC
(10) Texas would hire Vitello or Van Horn or LSU Johnson
(11) UGA would hire Saarloos or Walter
(12) Florida would hire Bakich
(13) Kentucky would hire Coggin as HC and Parker as PC if MSU took Ming.
For me in my limited interaction with Lemonis I think he couldn't handle the pressure of MSU baseball. He talked about the crowds, the Dude Effect, and etc. and I think he blew it out of proportion and made it bigger than it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
It's hard to play when your coach is making everything out to be the World Series and the biggest moment of your life.
It's probably legit because everyone shits on Starkville every chance they get.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I guess it needs more bars and "things to do" but smaller isn't necessarily worse.
I'll sum it up. MSU fans are tired of promoting assistants because we have done it multiple times in other sports and it not only hasn't worked out it has made things exponentially worse. The last time it worked was Dan and that was what 16 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
The reality is Lemonis needed to be fired but he also wasn't doing that bad. I think we make a regional anyway with him even if we dropped another game or two that we have won during this stretch.
I think that if you fire a guy like Lemonis who didn't do an overall awful job here- 2 CWS appearances, a NC, and then 2 more regional appearances in 6 years- you better make damn sure you hire someone elite to take us to the next level.
Let's look at baseball- Cohen was an elite coach. He took what Polk built and took it to the next level by 2016- we were in SR's annually and made Omaha 3 years in a row and had a title to boot. He decided he wants to play AD and then we hire Cann who was awful. That happened at a time when it is really hard to find a head coach. Then we basically get promised that we're going to get Schlossnagle by Cohen. That falls through. Then we get a guy that I had never heard of before until we hired him. It looks good at first but then things go off the rails. So now here we are. If we hire Parker it is going to divide the fan base. A lot of fans won't care because they're going to be going "here we go again."
Now if we hire BOC, Bakich, Wasikowski, Pollard, Wes Johnson, etc. THAT is going excite fans.
It depends if the family moving there craves a small town, with no big city for a couple of hours away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
if so, then it is a great setting.
I think this is why every option for the HC job should be open right now until things play out.
Who is saying hire parker over BOC, Bakich, Waz, Pollard, Wes Johnson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
But of those, which ones are truly wanting to take the job and move, as in really pushing for the job?
BOC clearly is trying his best to stay in Charlottesville if VA just tries to help him a little bit. Pollard most likely sticks with Durham. Wes has his agent playing the leverage game with Georgia.
Waz? That would be great to land any of them. But is he really interested yet or is it more games to get Oregon to help?
This song and dance happens for every HC position at MSU which is why up and coming assistants are hired at MSU, or coaches from G5.
I want one of the top tier guys, and the money we will spend for one will be above and beyond most schools. We cannot dismiss assistants yet or act like we know for sure the other coaches are knocking on the door begging to come here.
As far as divide the fan base, it seems other than BOC, Johnson, Bakich or Waz, that any other hire will have the fan base initially split.
Yeah. It needs things to do.