ND wouldn't have stood a chance against the sec champs a few seasons ago. ASU in the playoffs. Ohio state, Georgia, and Texas in it, but with 2 losses. Not sure if this environment will help us, but it's definitely breaking up super teams
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ND wouldn't have stood a chance against the sec champs a few seasons ago. ASU in the playoffs. Ohio state, Georgia, and Texas in it, but with 2 losses. Not sure if this environment will help us, but it's definitely breaking up super teams
I think it's the portal more so than NIL, but NIL is a factor too. Teams can't hoard talent. Talented back ups are going elsewhere where they don't have to be backups anymore.
I agree with you. I refer to NIL as portal for some reason when they aren't the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
It?s great for us if we lose the 1970s mindset and play the game which Selmon seems good at doing. We will get burned of course, but overall we have a better shot at competing and having stars align for a great season
It's the portal which is why we'll bounce back soon.
Also...Mike Bobo
I agree. But ND also has a much better coach now than when they last played the SEC Champs.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Just think about Las Vegas casinos stepping up and deciding what UNLV needs to compete for a national championship?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Remember when he was a HC candidate for us, lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Every "have not" fanbase in the Power Four loves the NIL and the portal ... except us.
Why is that?
Also, No Saban.
Underrated factor: new clock rules. Teams can really burn clock now.
Yea, it's NIL combined with unlimited transfers that's creating the parity. Every player with eligibility is a total free agent every year. It's a free for all with most players putting the money offer above anything else that a school offers. This is an environment unlike anything college football has ever experienced and it's only going to get more chaotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
1) not a wealthy fanbaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
2) Starkville is not a destination town
3) we have conditioned ourselves as a developmental program. Portal/NIL doesn't support that model.
But not sure your premise is even true about everyone loving the portal but us.
Side note, we have close to the most portal additions in the country.
The problem is that the rich schools are going to get top talent sitting on a bench from a P5 school and others less fortunate are getting the leftovers from Western Michigan.
I'm enjoying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don't know if it will help us but I can't see how it would be much worse for us than the previous system. I do think the SEC as a whole better adapt quickly because just amassing the best players to win a championship won't happen anymore.
We have the #5 ranked portal class in the country currentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That's not the case at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
One thing that will benefit us is that there is no way in hell the SEC goes to 9 league games.
Add that the NIL transfers we get are just here for the pay check whereas the NIL transfers to contenders are there for the pay check, to win, and to get recognition by Scouts!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Because of players like Dazmin James at UPig. Didnt do shit all season at UPig- gets a chance in the bowl game and catches 3 balls for 137 yards. Instead of appreciating the start and being one of UPig's guys next season- he is entering the portal to try and get some extra cash from somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
State will never keep breakout players or any significant talent. They will move on to the blue blood higher bidder once they show something playing for us.
Would have been better than Arnett and Barbay.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
The majority of the ones we lose it seems to me are guys going back home like Zavion Thomas or Coleman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yes- Dillon went home to Washington and Woody went home to USCQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I thought Woody is from Georgia??!???Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I was being a smartass. They left us for better placesQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Yup. That they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Come on now. Your example is 2 RBs in an extremely RB unfriendly offense and one of those 2 RBs had a very public disagreement with the Leach right before it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yeah we will always lose players to the portal, but we should (and can this offseason) be a net positive from it and in theory be more competitive than we have been in our glorious, win filled, past that includes the legendary 1941 SEC championship and the 2014 Orange Bowl appearance.
We have been historic bottom dwellers our entire program lifespan, we have to embrace change and try to take advantage of new era protocol
RaRa left for Georgia
I can name others but no need. State football is will be a constant fight for 6-6 from this day forward as long as constant transfers are allowed
Unfortunately this is true. <sigh>Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yes. The transfer portal is killing us way more than NIL. Something has to be done to stop the transferring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nothing is going to be done. We. Are. A. Baseball. School.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Yeah, I'm talking about our fans, not the coaching staff (at last).Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
It seems like our fans overwhelmingly hate NIL and the portal, and fans of other schools with our level of prestige see it as the way out of mediocrity. Or maybe I'm overreacting to a small sample size.
Doesn't really matter because anyone we have lost we have replaced with someone in the portal as we are doing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Really it's a matter of time before we get completely up to speed with NIL because Cohen didn't know what he was doing.
See our top 6 portal class that we have put together after a 2-10 season.
I think many of our fans are uncomfortable with it. And I think it's because of MSU's football culture set by the athletic department in the past. MSU has long discouraged fans to pay for players even though yes it happened. But when our fans were caught in the act I can't remember a time in the past where MSU stood up for the University. team, and booster and instead cooperated with the NCAA and collected "exemplary compliance" trophies while actually penalizing the team worse than the NCAA would have in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Basically the attitude for years was "Yes we can play dirty and build a good football team but eventually it's all going to get taken away by the NCAA once we get caught so it's really not worth it."
It also allows for some very convenient excuses for our large group of fans that like to bitch just to bitch when they don't really have control of the situation. Now as it is fans have much more control because if a fan bitches and they aren't giving money they are at fault to a small degree. So when they bitch MSU fans can shoot back "Well if you don't like it donate more". There is a lot less on the fan when they can conveniently point to LT, Jackie, Dan, Leach, Arnett, Croom, etc. for screwing things up. The rants aren't so comfortable when the shoe is on the other foot.
I think that is changing based on the recent donation figures though. And it's not like you have to sell a kidney every month to participate in NIL. Anything helps.
Contrast that to Ole Miss where paying players is essentially part of their football tradition and culture. It's not surprising that they adapted to NIL a lot quicker than MSU. Eventually I think it's going to level out though because MSU has always had the potential to spend. It's just never really been tapped into until now.
Because our fan and alumni base is poor and in the poorest stateQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Dude we have no prestigeQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
No it is because the deficit it insurmountable and most of us realize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If I go write a check for $25,000 tomorrow and give it to football NIL what tangible difference would that make? Other SEC school have at least 20x the manpower and money we have and no one trusts the leadership in charge.
Plus the thought of my hard earned money going to some kid I do not know, who will be here for 5 months, to play 17ing football then leave absolutely infuriates me
Shit, our last 2 ADs-graduates, athlete, coach, stepfather MSU legend, both ditched here to go to rival schools. Cohen leaving should tell you everything you need to know about how bad our situation is. Them leaving does not give me a good feeling about where we are headed.
NIL also has consequences... you allow an unathletic donor kid on your team for money and then allow the kid on the sideline out of pity... then the Georgia Rudy helps ND in a key moment
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Our fan and alumni base is more cheap than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell