Seems like we are recruiting fairly well
and still no Hines/Dirtbag/Hugesak/Hardin
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Seems like we are recruiting fairly well
and still no Hines/Dirtbag/Hugesak/Hardin
MLB scouts know their business
Hardin would be great to have back. That's 40 to 50 quality innings. Huge.
Hujsak needs to claim Long COVID made Lemons bench him for a year, then point to Hancock's horrible numbers, "see, my coach was not thinking right, I was basically red-shirted"
Just shows how much the coaching leaves to be desired (Parker excluded)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dirtbag? Great seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
Hugesak? Great season
Chance? Overachiever of the year in the SEC
Kohler? Hurt all year but hit .300 down the stretch
Downs? Hit .300 but hurt half the season
Jordan? Struck out too much but still hit .350 with 20 bombs
Hines and Larry played below expectations
Looks like the coaching is pretty good. We finished 5th in the SEC. Do you think our line-up was Top 5 in talent? (The correct answer is no)
Parker got the pitchers bank. None of them would've been a top 10 round guy except maybe Dohm and the one guy who couldn't get an out. Maybe Loo falls later. Jordan fell big. Hines still isn't drafted. Take out the pitchers and it's really weak. Foxhall recruited well? Couldn't coach a damn lick. Gaut hasn't done squat recruiting wise.
How was that coaching in '22 and '23? To hear you say it we were the "murder's row" 1927 NYY or the '75 Big Red machine, you know all this talent we have. Good thing those teams weren't coached by Lemonz......Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Jerk would have come on- you could see in 23 he just needed experience. He was a preseason Top 150 guy. Purdue is where you could see the improvement. Dohm actually fell lower than expected- but that was arm health concerns and nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Hines screwed himself trying to pull everything. DJ needs another year of college and everybody sees that- even the pros. But he is too talented not to take. And even with DJ- his numbers were alot better this year than his Freshman year
Dakota is so talented. But for someone who is a great athlete supposedly, he does not steal bases well or play great defense. He strikes out too much, is guilty of trying to do too much, and does not make adjustments at the plate very well. He needs development. Development can happen in the minors, or at the college level. But I think he is a good pick in the 4th round.
Dude is the truth and supreme athlete. A slump doesn't define what he's doneQuote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
Hopefully he's coachable in the minors
If he can't hit a college breaking ball...I don't know. He's certainly athletic enough to do it. Hopefully someone can help him figure it out in the minors. No doubt he can hit a fastball though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Safe to say, we will not have 9 next year.
And we did not get past a regional this year with this team.
Bottom line is we've got to get big time hitters on campus and we just haven't consistently done it. Hopefully this portal crop proves fruitful & hopefully Gaut gets his crap together a bit.
A year ago, the narrative was that Fox handled everything pitching, so Lemo wasn't responsible for any issues there. Now, our success in pitching is proof Lemo is a good recruiter. Can't have it both ways
More to the point, finishing 5th in the SEC is fine, but not wining a regional was an underperformance. There are not 16 teams with more players drafted.
So just looked at it. TN had 8 guys drafted, LSU 7. Then we're in a 6 way tie for 3rd with Arky, Vandy, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Florida state.
Pretty rough to just use this, but we certainly had to 10-15 range talent. Which is great that Lemo got them here (though the Pitchers were on Fox), but not so great that he couldn't make it out of a regional.
Doesn't really matter. Everyone agrees he's gotta win next year
We had no hitters or bullpen. We were a one trick pony and our saddle was on our starting pitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We have now had 8 players drafted- 6 of them are pitchers
Hardin in the 12th
Hugesack in the 13th
So in the same talent range as #1 knocked out by #4 Arky, 2 and q 2 seed Vandy; #1 knocked out by #3 Oklahoma; #1 knocked out by #3 OSU; and a CWS team.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Again, it shows how drafted talent is not necessarily a marker for how you do in the post season.
Tyler Davis drafted in the 15th.
7 pitchers now
2 position players
A year ago the narrative was that Lemon couldnt recruit and we had no talent so we needed to fire him- not prolong the inevitableQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Billy Beane says hi. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Will someone recap the players we've had drafted and what round. Thanks.
Cam Opener drafted in the 19th round
Dirtbag in the 18th
8 pitchers and 3 position. 11 players total
That does it. 11 players drafted
Hines goes undrafted. That should send a strong message about amending your hitting approach
The narrative is that he is a sub par coach, which is still trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Top 10 draft picks, NIL that Kentucky clearly can't compete with, a coaching budget that allows him to poach USCs assistant, and he won 2 postseason games in the past 3 seasons
Again, next year will tell all, but don't act like Lemo isn't vastly underperforming his resources. His in game management alone costs us a lot of wins
Lemon still can't recruit. Parker and Foxy brought in the pitching talent. DJ, Hines, and Mershon all dropped in the draft. Lots of late draft guys too. It's what's inside that top 10 rounds that is a good picture. Pitching was strong but no back end due to injury. The rest though, not so good.
Curious ... Dane Burns an MSU recruit from 2 years ago, that would have been a freshman this past year
Drafted in the 17th round
Lefty that throws 97 mph.
Did he get hurt and rehab independently?
He underperformed like no other. Wins per draft pick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Texas A&M - 7.6
Tennessee - 7.5
Kentucky - 6.6
Oregon St - 6.4
FSU - 6.1
Arkansas - 5.5
Vandy - 5.4
OSU - 5.3
OU - 5.0
LSU - 4.8
Ole Miss - 3.9
MSU - 3.6
Yes. He essentially redshirted because he had Tommy John around the time he had to report to MSU so he sat the year out because he would have anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Considering that 7-8 of those draft picks were pitchers and therefore not even on the field much of the time and that we had three position players drafted it would kind of prove your "stat" wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Ahh, so you're saying Lemo failed to get talented players (that matter) here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We can't praise him for all the MLB talent, then defend the W-L record by claiming he had little talent
I'm just wondering what if anything has changed with Lemo's assessing these new incoming portal guys.
My stance has always been that Foxhall was the biggest issue. After this year I think it's pretty hard to argue against that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I'd definitely say that as far as the hitters go they're a lot more well rounded players. Lots of guys with 10+ home runs, pretty good K/BB ratios, and at least 10 stolen bases seems to be the typical profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
sounds like a SR caliber team. I believe in Parker.
Except that site isn't a legitimate site. Some of the stuff on there is really bad. But rankings don't matter much in baseball anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34