The artist formerly known as David Lipscomb College, nee Nashville Bible School, defeated the might Volunteers of Tennessee 9-6 tonight.
That's baseball.
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The artist formerly known as David Lipscomb College, nee Nashville Bible School, defeated the might Volunteers of Tennessee 9-6 tonight.
That's baseball.
Yeah...they're not that mighty this year. Best team won last weekend.
amazingly its not just us
Don't care who else sucks midweek. As long as State doesn't suck in midweek games! And State has definitely sucked in some midweek games this year. Thankfully, the Dawgs have won a few weekend games. Need to get that 30th win tomorrow night!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Well its more about the changing face of college baseball. Mid-levels are getting better because of the portalQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
This it's been changing for several years with the portal, mlb draft cut in half, more very good player to go around for every one. Not like it was even 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
MLB is evolving their minor league system. Lots of people think there is going to be another contraction of 30 teams or so in the near future even though MLB denies it. Also it seems like MLB is slowly buying up all of the teams in the minors. The Mississippi Braves are owned now by that group - Diamond Holdings I believe it's called. They also own the Memphis Redbirds now too for those that live that way. I believe that group owns 30 minor league teams now so that's roughly 1/4 of all minor league teams not including instructional league teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
In the Deep South minor league baseball seems to be dying. The M-Braves are moving, the Shuckers draw worse than the M-Braves, the Redbirds aren't drawing well, and there aren't teams in New Orleans, Mobile, Baton Rouge, or Shreveport. Perhaps that's a narrow view because it seems like when I see minor league highlights there are empty seats all over the ballpark behind home plate.
It makes me wonder if MLB has decided to not to compete with college baseball in the Deep South? I also wonder (hope) if we will see a new independent minor league eventually emerge in the Deep South? That could be a good strategic move given how popular some players are when they are in college like Elijah MacNamee and Scotty Dubrule. Could also be a nice place for guys like say a Roy Oswalt to end their career or have a place to play to try to get back into MLB.
Yep. Be interesting to see the attendance for the M-Braves this week with the Pensacola Blue Wahoos in town.....and Tanner Allen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
What does Tennessee have for mid-week pitching ?
Midweek and if one of these teams gets deep in a regional is where you're going to see the most impact from the portal. Guys that were normally Saturday/Sunday starters for mid majors are now midweek guys for these mid major teams. It leads to results like this one.
They started a guy who was 1-0 with 3.31 ERA in 12 appearances, 4 starts, but only 16.1 innings. They only pitched him 2 innings (he left with a 4-1 lead) and looks like they go with a Bullpen approach midweek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Yep - and if they can stay in the winners bracket they will do some damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I think Tenn has this cockiness about them and sometimes they think all they have to do is show up. I think it's the attitude and demeaner of their Coach. He is good but very arrogant and cocky. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
There's something to that. I also think that when you play in a launching pad like they do you're going to have nights where the other teams get ahold of a few mistake pitches. I mean Lipscomb homered in the 3rd, 5th, and twice in the 6th last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
No one can convince me Lipscomb has close to the talent Tenn has. Just poor preparation and sometimes things happen but I ain't buying portals help teams in lonqer divisions or conference match Sec teams. Just excuses for not being ready to play, oh I realize there are upsets but damn!! To me it's a team that is lazy at times, I always hated seeing one of my basketball teams do this, but when they did the next day was hell for them! Baseball players and any athlete should play 100% every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
They had a couple of draft picks last summer. College baseball is changing faster than many realizeQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
It really is. Theres more talent available all the way around. Even in the juco levels now it's common to see every team with kids throwing low to mid 90s and tons of guys that can mash the baseball. It used to be rare to see that kind of talent in juco, now it's common. Heck my sons last year at Gulf Coast they had 6 D1 transfers come in and that's happening all over, Jones, PRCC, Hinds, it's all over. There's just more high end talent to go around especially with the cut in mlb draft, nil, covid extra years. It's been a trickle down effect. Most average fans don't realize this, but if you're connected and involved in it at every level, you see it everyday. I'm just fortunate that i still have a lot of contacts in the scouting/coaching ranks and with 2 sons involved in coaching and training prospects, you get to see/hear a lot of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It's interesting to me how long it has taken MLB to realize that they had a huge cost savings opportunity for player development via College Baseball and their Caribbean academies. MiLB will never go away completely - but I think in the next round you will see it parred down to 3 MiLB teams per franchise; a development academy at their Spring training sites; their international academies. As MiLB players have pushed for more money - the reduction in teams became inevitable. College and JUCO will fill that Low-A gap, and fewer and fewer High School guys will be getting drafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I always wondered that myself. Heck back in my day there were over 60 rounds of draft picks and a gazillion MiLB teams. You had all these guys in MiLB making $500 a month and then realizing after a year or two they weren't ever gonna make it and bailing out to try and start a career. It always seemed like kinda of a waste of resources and so many of those players were HS kids and many never went on to college and wound up scraping by for the rest of their lives. There's only so many Mike Piazza stories out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The international academies was the first break in the dam. They figured out they could get these kids at 16 for pennies on the dollar, lock them up early, and then their first extension is coming at 20 or 21, when most of them have made their ML debut, instead of 26 or 27. That's a 100 million to 150 million dollar savings from the club's perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
So we can't maintain enough quality depth to consistently beat mid-week opposition even with our recruiting and portal use? Do they have starters better than our bench as these players had rather start at this level of college than commit to us and work for playing time? This seems to be the case in football and basketball so has it spread to SEC baseball and roster management?Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Believe it or not some lower level starters are just as good as our starters (oh how we've forgotten Austin Peay already). Also, no way do I blame a kid for going to a "lower level" of baseball to actually PLAY and improve via live reps, rather than trying to "earn" playing time behind some NIL diva who's not getting benched anyway, just to be a "part" of big time college baseball. And guess what? If he "earns" his stats at lesser program, guess who comes calling anyway? And they didn't have to sit a year or two in the meantime. More than one way to look at it. That's why JUCO ball is about to take a massive jump in talent just from '24 kids who D1 doesn't want because they are all getting 1 year players from portal rather than take project/recruit HS kids, which I don't blame them for that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
That is some good points. There are way more baseball players than football and basketball. Many many times a player is maturing a year or so after high school also. Yes to 34 on his take on mid majors being more competitive and 24 for his take on minor leagues being cut. But still with the Sec being the best conference it shouldn't be as much as say Sunbelt Conference upsets IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TStationDawg
People need to stop acting like losing midweeks is something unique or new to this season and Lemonis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
1992 was my first on campus season. We had a solid team that went 40-22/15-9 and hosted.
I watched us lose to Bellhaven (NAIA), William Carey (NAIA), South Alabama, Mississippi College (DII), La Tech, Jackson State (SWAC), and North Alabama (DII) all in the same season. That's with our HOF coach in his 19th season.
We lost 13 OOC games that year. We had no business playing NAIA or DII schools - and we lost. Baseball is just a weird sport where those things happen.
It took forever because MLB and college baseball were at odds with each other. I remember growing up and hearing from MLB people about how college baseball was glorified high school baseball and you went there to hurt your arm. This was the 80's-90's. It changed as you saw more and more college guys getting into pro baseball some and vice versa plus MLB saw that they were getting most of their players from college and that those players had a higher chance of success at least among American born players.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Yeah. The days of the "the Astros are going to pay me 2 million dollars and pay for my college even though I got drafted in the 40th round" are over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
The issue MLB has there are the private academies some of whom are basically pimping players out.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This is it 100%! People are just not understanding that college baseball is not the baseball of Ron Polk. It's the 21st century and the talent is being more evenly spread out. Also any quality pitcher can shutdown any team on any given day, doesn't matter what level or how good the other talent is. Heck Jay Hook won games and threw shutouts in mlb and he's considered one of the worst pitchers of all time. People comparing football and basketball to baseball just don't get it. Baseball is not football/basketball, just not and never will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by TStationDawg
Yep 100%! And as I said people on here need to quit comparing baseball to the other sports. In football or basketball you can give the ball to your best player every single time you need a big play. In baseball your best pitcher is not always on the mound or your best hitter isn't always at the plate when you need a big play. And even if your best hitter is up, he can be pitched around or walked and that negates him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Pretty sure we even lost to MC in 85.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Yep. And that team was the most talented team we ever had. IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
So is playing time more important than NIL to baseball players in the portal? Seems like $ #1 along with guaranteed starting spot in football/basketball. College $sports is the Wild, Wild West with very few rules. Saw we are after a WR that we will be his 4th school in 4 years if we get him. Does progress toward a degree even count anymore? The two previous portal classes in football saw less than 50% of portal entrees getting a landing spot. Don't know about baseball or basketball %. Most think they are going Pro and looks as though educational opportunity being lost and given up big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Baseball is way different in that way. The majority of baseball players are very good students and wind up with degrees. Also the money(accept for the most elite)baseball players is not near what's being paid to football/basketball players. So yes baseball players want playing time and a degree at a much higher percentage than football/basketball. Plus as Tstaion said baseball players get playing time and produce, doesn't matter the level, juco, d2, d3, naia, scouts will find them and that have a shot at pro ball. The 3 sports are just so different. Comparing baseball to football/basketball as sports and players is like comparing apples to submarines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Baseball players tend to be more "big picture". Their ultimate goal isn't six figures from NIL. It's to get to year six in MLB and a 10 million dollar plus baseball deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Right, you're dealing with different types of people and mentality in baseball, compared to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Only about 2% of baseball players are even getting NIL funds. You have to remember that college baseball is a primarily Southern sport. The ACC has like 6 teams that care, the Big 12 has like 6 teams that care, and the Pac 12 and Big 10 have combined about 8 teams that care. Then you have some mid majors (Southern, Campbell, Coastal, etc.) that care as well but can't give any NIL. The SEC and maybe a few ACC and Big 12 teams are the only one's giving NIL money to baseball players. I mean just look at the attendance from last Friday night from some of the Top 10 teams:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
1. A&M- 7,968
2. Arky- 10,551
4. Clemson (Apr 19)- 4,532
6. Oregon St- 3,943
9. UC Irvine (Apr 19)- 920
Baseball just doesn't matter outside of the South so players are looking where they can get the most exposure and most PT more than NIL. That's why all the top transfers are transferring to Southern programs.
Even in the SEC it isn't the entire league that is bought in either.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Baseball players want to play. If baseball players didn't just want to play, the 11.7 schollys would have killed the college game a long time ago. I think part of that is that is because of the minor league system. You can see across the country how hard it is to make it to MLB because we have so many minor league teams. You go and watch minor league games and think "these guys are awesome", and not a single one of them ever makes it to the Bigs. One of my best friends lived in Nashville before he moved to my home town. We were going thru his Nashville Sounds cards one day - Don Mattingly, Steve Balboni, Dave Righetti, all MLB guys. He throws one card out and says "this was the BEST guy on that team. He was a star, and the nicest guy. Never understood how he didn't make it to the Yankees." It was Buck Showalter (this was before he was an MLB manger).Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
It's also a sport where it is incredibly rare - like once or twice a generation - where you see a kid like Bob Feller, Dwight Gooden or Andruw Jones make to the Bigs at 19 or 20. At the same time you see guys battle to be rookies at 29-30 - or even a miracle guy like Jim Morris, who goes from High School coach to MLB at 35.
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You learn over time if you've been involved with the game in coaching, teaching it, training that each step the level of talent gets greater and greater. When I was a younger man I thought guys I played with and against were gonna make it to the bigs and never did. I played with and against some great players, and very, very, very few made it to the bigs and most only had a cup of coffee. It teaches you to evaluate baseball talent a little differently and know how hard it is to make it. I've coached a lot of players that have played college ball and a few who have had stints in mlb, but it's just so hard and it's dog eat dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
You're right about baseball players being built differently and wanting to just play. Heck made when I was younger I would've paid them to let me play in the minors, lol!