Final Hoops thoughts.......

Bye Tolu, you soft SOB. He was our biggest weakness down the stretch. Every run we made down the stretch was with that guy on the bench. He should have been benched due to turnovers and no defense, but I guess Jans felt obligated to play our "All American". What a liability...so glad he's gone.

Jans is a great coach, but he mishandled Tolu. Should have benched him. But we need to extend Jans and try to surround Hubbard with talent.

Mathews is really good, but he can't get in early foul trouble and he has to know that. It hurt today.

We need more offense. Shut Hubbard down and we are toast. Bc again, Tolu sucks.

Disappointing end to a very fun season. Leaves a bad taste. I hated the matchup from the start. Hate that we were never even in the game, no runs, no hope. Very deflating.

On to baseball. Praying we are better than I think we are.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Bye Tolu, you soft SOB. He was our biggest weakness down the stretch. Every run we made down the stretch was with that guy on the bench. He should have been benched due to turnovers and no defense, but I guess Jans felt obligated to play our "All American". What a liability...so glad he's gone.

Jans is a great coach, but he mishandled Tolu. Should have benched him. But we need to extend Jans and try to surround Hubbard with talent.

Mathews is really good, but he can't get in early foul trouble and he has to know that. It hurt today.

We need more offense. Shut Hubbard down and we are toast. Bc again, Tolu sucks.

Disappointing end to a very fun season. Leaves a bad taste. I hated the matchup from the start. Hate that we were never even in the game, no runs, no hope. Very deflating.

On to baseball. Praying we are better than I think we are.

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Accurate and good post.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Bye Tolu, you soft SOB. He was our biggest weakness down the stretch. Every run we made down the stretch was with that guy on the bench. He should have been benched due to turnovers and no defense, but I guess Jans felt obligated to play our "All American". What a liability...so glad he's gone.

Jans is a great coach, but he mishandled Tolu. Should have benched him. But we need to extend Jans and try to surround Hubbard with talent.

Mathews is really good, but he can't get in early foul trouble and he has to know that. It hurt today.

We need more offense. Shut Hubbard down and we are toast. Bc again, Tolu sucks.

Disappointing end to a very fun season. Leaves a bad taste. I hated the matchup from the start. Hate that we were never even in the game, no runs, no hope. Very deflating.

On to baseball. Praying we are better than I think we are.

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We have to "keep" Hubbard before we can "surround" Hubbard.

But I like your last statements. On to baseball. Praying we are better than I think we are as well. 😳

In Cam's defense some of early calls on him in game this year were BS calls. With 2, you have to leave him in though and tell him to lay off if close to foul. He is too important to sit on bench. He and Hubbard make us go.

Don't want to pile on TS but he has not been good most of year. Really over rated. Jans got big work to do to prepare for next year. We must do it because SEC is getting tougher.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We have to "keep" Hubbard before we can "surround" Hubbard.

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Word is we good with Hubbard and Mathews for next season at this point

1. Tolu is gone and we should be glad. In this day and age you cannot have a post player that cannot score beyond 5 ft from the basket. You have to be able to space the floor, especially since we have no outside shooters, sans Hubbard.

2. I do not mind keeping Matthews or Moore but they need to understand what their roles are going into next season. Moore needs to be a 3 and D guy and Cam is there for defense.

3. We need about 3 more 3 and D guys.

4. Please for the love of god, do not use all our NIL money on some prima donna “shooter” who does not know where the defensive end of the floor is. Much less how to play it. Taylor was a bad shooter on top of being shitty at defense.

5. Let Murphy go. He has all the talent in the world but plays reckless on offense and lazy on defense.

6. Just keep building.

I'm surprised (in a good way) we made the tourney. Disappointed we again lose the first round but it's nice to have a post season that's not NIT.

I think Jans really got the most out of what we had. There aren't very many coaches I believe that could've gotten us to the tourney.

We need more and better offense. We've been so bad on offense recently that we heap praises on a 35% shooter. I guess at least he throws up shots but we'll never go past the first round when our best point scorer shoots at that rate. Secondly our FT shooting is dang near the worst in the country.

We didnt lose because of coaching- we just struggle to shoot the basketball. That has to be addressed in recruiting

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Word is we good with Hubbard and Mathews for next season at this point

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That's a hell of a start for a team. Hopefully we hit on another freshman guard next season in Warren

I?m a big Jans fan. I think he?s achieved way above what he has or can get. Last year just barely making the tournament with NO three point shooter is unbelievable. IMO he should have gotten national coach of the year for just making it to the tournament last year.

Question?.why is our offense spacing so bad. Multiple times Tolu would get the ball down low and he would be double teamed or even triple teamed there has to be somebody open. One time in today?s game Tolu was double teamed and the only person open was DJ and he was at the top of the key. I imagine he was there to guard against fast break but that should be the guards job.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Bye Tolu, you soft SOB. He was our biggest weakness down the stretch. Every run we made down the stretch was with that guy on the bench. He should have been benched due to turnovers and no defense, but I guess Jans felt obligated to play our "All American". What a liability...so glad he's gone.

Jans is a great coach, but he mishandled Tolu. Should have benched him. But we need to extend Jans and try to surround Hubbard with talent.

Mathews is really good, but he can't get in early foul trouble and he has to know that. It hurt today.

We need more offense. Shut Hubbard down and we are toast. Bc again, Tolu sucks.

Disappointing end to a very fun season. Leaves a bad taste. I hated the matchup from the start. Hate that we were never even in the game, no runs, no hope. Very deflating.

On to baseball. Praying we are better than I think we are.

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Agree.
But i think that Jans needs an offensive mind bench coach to help him, an "OC' of sorts. Someone who will be straight with him if another Tolu situation comes about.
"Hey coach, hes playing soft, bench him!"
On to the diamond.

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Originally Posted by GoDawgz

Agree.
But i think that Jans needs an offensive mind bench coach to help him, an "OC' of sorts. Someone who will be straight with him if another Tolu situation comes about.
"Hey coach, hes playing soft, bench him!"
On to the diamond.

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That is why I really wish Milner would have gotten the NMSU job when Jans left. He could have brought in an offensive minded bench coach to balance out all the defensive coaches we have

South Carolina laid an egg too. It’s not looking very good so far for the SEC, although I expect UK and UT to cruise to wins tonight

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

South Carolina laid an egg too. It’s not looking very good so far for the SEC, although I expect UK and UT to cruise to wins tonight

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SC and us were underdogs despite being seeded higher. Neither shoulda got beat like they did, but they were expected to lose

You can like Tolu or not. Maybe he underachieved. But I don’t like calling a guy that played for us, and seemed to stay out of trouble, a son of a bitch. That’s my opinion, and many on here won’t agree, which is fine. You can call him soft, because at times he was soft. You can call a player lazy, if at times they are in fact lazy. You can call a player an idiot if they act like an idiot. But I can’t think of a time that Tolu was, or acted like, a son of bitch.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

You can like Tolu or not. Maybe he underachieved. But I don?t like calling a guy that played for us, and seemed to stay out of trouble, a son of a bitch. That?s my opinion, and many on here won?t agree, which is fine. You can call him soft, because at times he was soft. You can call a player lazy, if at times they are in fact lazy. You can call a player an idiot if they act like an idiot. But I can?t think of a time that Tolu was, or acted like, a son of bitch.

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This......I hate seeing our "fans" trash our own players. Shows their ignorance.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

You can like Tolu or not. Maybe he underachieved. But I don?t like calling a guy that played for us, and seemed to stay out of trouble, a son of a bitch. That?s my opinion, and many on here won?t agree, which is fine. You can call him soft, because at times he was soft. You can call a player lazy, if at times they are in fact lazy. You can call a player an idiot if they act like an idiot. But I can?t think of a time that Tolu was, or acted like, a son of bitch.

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I agree on Tolu for sure.
Near as I can tell he's a class act for the most part. Doesn't complain or cause trouble and plays team ball. I like the guy. Just wish he was more powerful down low and would play above the rim more than he does.

I ain?t gonna bash Tolu. I?m not sure he was the same this year because of an injury to his leg. He missed 14 games and this injury wasn?t his first. Time to move on, blaming Tolu wasn?t our problem today. We played bad in all aspects and even coaching wasn?t the best today.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

This......I hate seeing our "fans" trash our own players. Shows their ignorance.

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It’s fine to trash them when they deserve it. They are big boys. It’s okay to call a dumbass a dumbass. So I can live with Tolu being called soft. But when has he deserved to be called a son of a bitch.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

1. Tolu is gone and we should be glad. In this day and age you cannot have a post player that cannot score beyond 5 ft from the basket. You have to be able to space the floor, especially since we have no outside shooters, sans Hubbard.

2. I do not mind keeping Matthews or Moore but they need to understand what their roles are going into next season. Moore needs to be a 3 and D guy and Cam is there for defense.

3. We need about 3 more 3 and D guys.

4. Please for the love of god, do not use all our NIL money on some prima donna ?shooter? who does not know where the defensive end of the floor is. Much less how to play it. Taylor was a bad shooter on top of being shitty at defense.

5. Let Murphy go. He has all the talent in the world but plays reckless on offense and lazy on defense.

6. Just keep building.

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1. I think Tolu is a great team mate and good dude. I like him. He can be good at times but missed way too many at the rim. Is not threat except spinning around the rim. Just not enough at that position. Wish him luck.

2. Moore can score but he played tenative down the stretch, not sure why. Cam can score and about the only thing he can't do is a spot up jumper. If Cam can work on a mid range jump shot, watch out. He has a nice shot at FT line. He needs personal coach to develop that before next year. He can do it.

3. We need at least 2 more 3 shooters, course D but we need 2 quality bigs too.

4. Gotta spend smart money

5. Murphy yeah he has potential but too lazy; don't see that changing.

6. We are still building and Hubbard is a heck of a foundation to build around. We can take some more steps next year if he can get the right guys.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

It’s fine to trash them when they deserve it. They are big boys. It’s okay to call a dumbass a dumbass. So I can live with Tolu being called soft. But when has he deserved to be called a son of a bitch.

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Agree. No place for that here. Our players lay it on the line for Maroon and White. Tolu did for sure.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

You can like Tolu or not. Maybe he underachieved. But I don?t like calling a guy that played for us, and seemed to stay out of trouble, a son of a bitch. That?s my opinion, and many on here won?t agree, which is fine. You can call him soft, because at times he was soft. You can call a player lazy, if at times they are in fact lazy. You can call a player an idiot if they act like an idiot. But I can?t think of a time that Tolu was, or acted like, a son of bitch.

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Rep given.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I agree on Tolu for sure.
Near as I can tell he's a class act for the most part. Doesn't complain or cause trouble and plays team ball. I like the guy. Just wish he was more powerful down low and would play above the rim more than he does.

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My grad school son, my baseball/basketball/football season ticket holder friend and I met Tolu and his parents at "Applebee's" after a tough SEC game in January. Class acts all around. I think he has been hurt to some degree the last couple of weeks, JMO. His game is what it is and many coaches seem to have figured that out. Time to rebuild for 2025.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

You can like Tolu or not. Maybe he underachieved. But I don’t like calling a guy that played for us, and seemed to stay out of trouble, a son of a bitch. That’s my opinion, and many on here won’t agree, which is fine. You can call him soft, because at times he was soft. You can call a player lazy, if at times they are in fact lazy. You can call a player an idiot if they act like an idiot. But I can’t think of a time that Tolu was, or acted like, a son of bitch.

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Thanks for saying this. I planned on addressing it myself. Some of our fans are very ignorant. I understand being disappointed in how we lost and all of that but there is no need to call the kid a son of a bitch. At the end of the day it's just basketball so there's no need to be disrespectful

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Bye Tolu, you soft SOB. He was our biggest weakness down the stretch. Every run we made down the stretch was with that guy on the bench. He should have been benched due to turnovers and no defense, but I guess Jans felt obligated to play our "All American". What a liability...so glad he's gone.

Jans is a great coach, but he mishandled Tolu. Should have benched him. But we need to extend Jans and try to surround Hubbard with talent.

Mathews is really good, but he can't get in early foul trouble and he has to know that. It hurt today.

We need more offense. Shut Hubbard down and we are toast. Bc again, Tolu sucks.

Disappointing end to a very fun season. Leaves a bad taste. I hated the matchup from the start. Hate that we were never even in the game, no runs, no hope. Very deflating.

On to baseball. Praying we are better than I think we are.

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Your ignorant as hell for this post. You actually made a few good points but why be so disrespectful towards a kid who bleeds maroon and white and tried his hardest!? There's nothing wrong with criticism but you are just being ignorant. He is still a bulldog who loves MSU.. learn to be more respectful at the end of the day it's just a game

Dear Lord we have some sissies on this board. We had just lost and I was using SOB like someone would say "that bastard won't stop turning it over"....I wasn't implying he was an asshole or his mom was a bitch. My goodness when did we get so much estrogen on this board. I'm sorry that I hurt yalls little feelings by calling a 7 footer that lays the ball up instead of dunking it a soft SOB. Y'all are some soft SOB's too apparently. Go coddle your sons and quit taking a message board post so damn serious. My goodness. It ain't that serious, ladies

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Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN

Your ignorant as hell for this post. You actually made a few good points but why be so disrespectful towards a kid who bleeds maroon and white and tried his hardest!? There's nothing wrong with criticism but you are just being ignorant. He is still a bulldog who loves MSU.. learn to be more respectful at the end of the day it's just a game

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And this is just a message board.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT1XG...=200w.gif&ct=g

I'm sorry, Next time I will say "Son of a Gun!"

Better yet, I'll stop posting. Don't need 15 Gene Swindoll's sending me PM's bc I hurt their feelings with an "SOB" comment.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And this is just a message board.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT1XG...=200w.gif&ct=g

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Lots of pussies on this board. It’s ****** central
This board needs more vagisil ads

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'm sorry, Next time I will say "Son of a Gun!"

Better yet, I'll stop posting. Don't need 15 Gene Swindoll's sending me PM's bc I hurt their feelings with an "SOB" comment.

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Don't stop posting CD. The board is better when you're around.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Dear Lord we have some sissies on this board. We had just lost and I was using SOB like someone would say "that bastard won't stop turning it over"....I wasn't implying he was an asshole or his mom was a bitch. My goodness when did we get so much estrogen on this board. I'm sorry that I hurt yalls little feelings by calling a 7 footer that lays the ball up instead of dunking it a soft SOB. Y'all are some soft SOB's too apparently. Go coddle your sons and quit taking a message board post so damn serious. My goodness. It ain't that serious, ladies

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And here is the other thing, THEY'RE BEING PAID(quite well in Tolu's case). At the end of the day, fair or not, that makes them open to criticism. And all kinds of it.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And here is the other thing, THEY'RE BEING PAID(quite well in Tolu's case). At the end of the day, fair or not, that makes them open to criticism. And all kinds of it.

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Lol this makes no sense at all! Criticism is one thing but disrespect is another. I'm sure most of the posters on this board are well over 40, some well into their 60's or better.. a bunch of grown men calling a 22 year old College basketball player a son of a bitch all because he's had bad games?! Get out of here with that nonsense... Im with you on criticism but not disrespect and just because players get paid doesn't warrant disrespect.

Well Robbie Faulk had a good taje on the game and season on his YT Channel. Never knew he had one but its called Maroon and White. No obnoxious 4 min long infomercials or bookselling either.

https://youtu.be/iGyXLH8WLnE

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Lots of pussies on this board. It’s ****** central
This board needs more vagisil ads

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Lol ok tough guy.. some of you "fans" need to grow the hell up and stop with the tough guy act. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and act that way but none of you really are I guarantee it

This thread is clear that we have some soft sons of bitches as fans too. Rep given Cadaver.

Yall need to chill out. Way over reaction on here. I've over reacted on here at times too; it happens but if you get called out for out of line just admit it and move on. You can still keep the critique of issues and be fine.

You can be disappointed in team, players performances but disrespect should be no part of our decorum. That is what is wrong with our culture now. No respect for anyone if they disagree with you. Lot of childish actions.