and fully green lights using NIL as pay for play. What I really don't understand is how the legal system can determine whether a player is eligible or not to participate in NCAA sports. Apparently the NCAA has no say in it.
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and fully green lights using NIL as pay for play. What I really don't understand is how the legal system can determine whether a player is eligible or not to participate in NCAA sports. Apparently the NCAA has no say in it.
Surprise, surprise !!!!
Probably was just a matter of time--the Olympics gave in to professionals long ago. Which just now occurred to me--can an Olympic athlete go and play for whichever country pays him/her the most?Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Sure, you already see players do it, getting paid by a country to accept citizenship, even for competitions below the Olympics.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
Dee Bost is a citizen of Bulgaria now and plays for their national team. Teaira McCowan is a citizen of Turkey.
A lot of tropical countries will recruit Americans and Europeans who aren't quite Olympic quality to become citizens of their countries and then go participate in the Winter Olympics.
The NCAA is a defunct organization. The next iteration of collegiate athletics is on the way, you folks better pray we have a seat at the table on the biggest stage when it all shakes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I don't think we will. I'm glad I'm older now. It'll be easy to turn it completely off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I'll watch my Dogs play no matter what level they are at and still moan and groan at their ineptitude just like I do now. I mean look at baseball now. They are already playing at a lower level. So no big changes needed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Good point. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Same. I?ve been slowly moving on from college sports so it won?t be that hard to completely tune out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
If we fall it means way more than your entertainment value. It would be disastrous for the university as a whole. There won’t be two Mississippi teams there so we will be out and the confederates will be in. They will have the leg up funding wise then and we will get the leftovers. This means jobs and that in turn leads to Starkville suffering in the long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
If the people in charge are dumb enough to let the wild wild west continue and not create something like the nfl in regards to contracts and salary caps, then they can just watch this billion dollar industry burn to ground. And me personally, I think it will be funny as crap to watch the greed ruin it all!! Once again, we all knew this was going to ruin the amateur sports we once loved.
Just a statement to fellow elitedoggers in regards to the NCAA. I will be assertive and hopefully perceived respectful by the readers of this post. We have seen a lot of activity in the Courts with the NCAA and I would like to bring to light something about this. Whenever an individual, company, or organization is brought into litigation, the court clerks do a comprehensive investigation of the principals involved. The clerks will bring to light information in regards to the litigants.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
If a person has a criminal record, this is known to the Court, and helps an accurate and comprehensive knowledge of that person. Someone who is in Court for the first time will be observed different that someone with a repetitive rap sheet of crimes. The same applies to the NCAA.
The NCAA is rightfully being overseen by the courts and the court clerks are developing a profile of it. That profile is absorbed by the courts to assure a comprehensive understanding within. Because of repetitive exposure of past abuses, the NCAA has potentially identified itself by all courts in America. The NCAA has nowhere to hide and can not be seen as an honorable organization anywhere in America.
Much of this started with the USC sanctions in which a litigant’s legal team, a law firm, was granted unfettered access to the NCAA mainframe. The emails and other documents were allowed to be introduced into the court transcripts and on to the New York Times and Los Angeles Times who released the court transcripts in PDFs onto the internet. BTW, the NCAA settled with Todd McNair not Todd McNair settled with the NCAA. Also, the NCAA will pay Reggie Bush millions because of legal exposure after the fact. The NCAA made a stupid statement that reset the statute of limitations to bring a lawsuit against it.
All of what I have stated to fellow elitedoggers is in the presents of the Attorney Generals of Tennessee, North Carolina, and Florida. I would bet that every State’s AGs have easy access to the NCAA rap sheet and will handle business as they discover what the NCAA really is and will act accordingly.
I'm not hoping for State to be relegating to a lower level. I'm just saying I am a Mississippi State fan and my loyalty is to the school, not the SEC and not whatever organization takes over for the nadsless NCAA. The NCAA should have hired Morgan And Morgan!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
And you know as well as I do, if the founders had any foresight, Mississippi State University would not have been built in the middle of nowhere Mississippi. It would have been built near the capital city of the State, and MSU would have overtaken OM as the flagship!!! But Alas! An agriculture and mechanical college was stood up in Oktibbeha County! It is the hand we were dealt and I will continue to support in my menial manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Regardless of this perception turned factual abuse, college athletics needs and must have a governing body who can set and control rules of Amateurism.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachnorm
The premise that a college athlete is a student first and athlete second was sound doctrine. The ruling body did not prepare for Schools and Coaches becoming multi-millionaires and get in front of what those who live for litigating would be licking their chops to challenge the term student-athlete into unpaid and/or underpaid independent contractors.
I think some of what you say could come to fruition but it will not happen thru the NCAA. I have stated ad nauseum that there will be a Power 2 in the near future. This will be triggered in a couple years when ESPN pulls the LEVER and extricates itself from the Bill of Rights affiliation with the ACC. Disney/ESPN have that clause in the contract with the ACC BTW. Four ACC teams will be transferred within the 20 team Disney/ESPN domain to the SEC because Disney/ESPN defacto own those assets currently. I personally believe that FSU and Miami will go BIG10 20 team domain because of bad blood between the State of Florida and the ACC.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
When the Power 2 constitutes itself, it will leave the NCAA and govern itself at its discretion. They will have their own playoff and championship. The Power 2 will render the 12 or 50 team playoffs outside of the P2 as the NIT of college football.
The others outside the P2 can determine if they want to stay with the NCAA or govern themselves in the P2 model.
I will support whatever league gets left out of the pay for play mercenary league
This is precisely correct. There will be a huge divide between the power2 and the rest. If you get left outside it’s going to be a shock to the system and many of those institutions will find it very difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachnorm
Where did the Tennessee judge go to school? UofTennessee?
So a UTenn collective, that is owned and operated by UTenn alumni. Signed a California kid to a 8mil contract and he later
Signs with UTenn. Yeah, absolutely no quid pro quo.*
This is absolutely ridiculous. So can someone explain to me. Can private schools make a private college football
League and avoid the courts in order to form a true amateur league?
Are kids at Mississippi college, Millsaps, etc etc asking for nil?
MSU was not as podunk as one may think. The first public thoroughfare in the county was the Robinson Road, built in the early 1820s with both federal and state funds. It connected Nashville, Tennessee, and Jackson MS, entering Oktibbeha county at Artesia and extending southeastward to the Noxubee River. MSU was near a major transportation corridor back when it was first established - Starkville was not as isolated from the rest of society as it may seem. Also, the 1870s brought the first railroad into Starkville. After several unsuccessful efforts, a branch line of the Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio was built from Artesia in 1874. Ten years later Canton, Aberdeen, and Nashville came through Starkville with a line that linked Aberdeen to Durant on the Illinois Central. This opened up a new trade territory for Starkville to the northeast. Again, Starkville was as connected as any other city in MS except for maybe Jackson at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
The Starkville area has two large springs and the favorable lay of the land which was ideal for a land-grant institution - MSU (Mississippi A&M). Also keep ion mind that athletics was not even in the equation back then as the primary purpose of the university was to teach - as it should be today.
That ship has sailed. The thing is the NCAA was supposed to be the institutions governing themselves but that went south very soon into it anyway. Now the money is way to big and the greed is the overwhelming driving factor so it’s no longer amateur sports at the highest levels. Like a friend of mine said, “ Dad said TV ruined boxing 50 years ago. Now just like then it’s college football’s turn and since it is the money maker everything else will be carried along”. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back in. It’s a giant shat sandwich.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Admittedly I haven't read all the articles. But I'm arguing with a UT fan on this.
His stance: the ncaa enforced rules that were made up.
Me: no. The ncaa said nil can't be used for pay for play.
Funny how sec fans see what they want.
But the TN judge compared it to negotiating a tv contract. So I guess now schools can tell a hs recruit that they can make $x if they sign with them. ????? Whereas before that was a no-no.
I have no idea. What's up is down and down is up.