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I 100% believe we had a man of integrity that set the strong foundation for the next man to build up MSU right. You might disagree, and that is ok. Makes the world go around. But I believe he cleaned up a lot of things and started the righting of the ship.
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Well it won't be the first thing you have been wrong on consistently...
Croom set us back.. and was lazy..ignorant and stubborn. and a bad coach.
Don't get me started on the myth that he cleaned up the program. Yeah, he kicked a bunch of Jackie's guys off the team for almost no reason, but we had players of his getting busted left and right for stuff. IIRCC he had players shooting up campus.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I'm gonna agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
That man fell asleep on a recruit's couch for crying out loud!
It's a little baffling as to how said myth even got legs in the first place, given how easy it to see how obviously false it is with an objective glance back over the Croom era timeline.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Guess he does deserve credit for beating Alabama and Auburn in the same year, and Alabama with King Saban no less. He was a fine man and if he had replaced his OC, I think he would have done a whole lot better.
No. He wasn't lazy. He wasn't ignorant. Yes.. He was stubborn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
He flat out told Demario Bobo his senior year that he wanted to give his scholarship over to Lance Long. What a fine manQuote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Croom had more deficiencies than just his OC. His biggest issue is he was more loyal to his coaches than his players. Cheese shouldn't have been named defensive coordinator and it was a disservice to his players to do that. Maybe there was just nobody willing to come knowing their stats weren't going to look good b/c of the consistent 3 and outs by the offense. His second biggest issue was his stubborness. Maybe Woody shouldn't have been OC, maybe Croom should have let him run something besides west coast; but it's inexcusable the he tried basically zero adjustments over 5 years on offense despite never showing any improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
The biggest thing is Croom just didn't bring anything much to the table. He wasn't a dynamic or even particularly good recruiter. He got some good enough guys, but they weren't noticeably higher character than Jackie's and were worse than Mullen's. He was a drag on offense. Our special teams didn't do particularly well. Our defense was pretty good and he gets credit for making a good hire to begin with before making a bad hire. At the end of the day, you have to ask him the Office SPace question to find out what it is he would say he did here. And the answer is not much.
And while he's certainly not a bad guy, give me Rick Ray any day. When he failed, he said he was grateful for the opportunity and didn't get the job done despite his best efforts. Croom criticized us.
I would say I'm more in this camp.... lazy? I doubt you do the things he did as a player and a coach by being lazy... Ignorant...no way...he got millions of dollars out of MSU ... stubborn....that he definitely was..Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
I agree with this. Croom made us competitive before he was run off. When he came in, we were not competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
The myth of croom grew because finebaum loved croom and hated jackie. That plus ol ears knew croom would keep us at the bottom of the sec, where he thought we belonged.
Croom was HOT garbage as a head college football coach. We lost to MAINE. Don't feed into the stupid televised documentary on Croom that said he got the short end of the stick. Sylvester Croom was supposed to be a great coach, and failed miserably. There is nothing else to talk about. Next thread.
P.S. I wish it would have been the opposite, Croom had the resume, but he was nothing more than qualifications on paper.
No, he absolutely did not make us competitive. We had 1 - O-N-E - season of lucky as shit football that we won 7 regular season games.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
3-8, 3-8, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8 is not competing in football.
Honestly. What team were you watching ? He was run off because we had 5 years of horrible football. (Yes- even 2007. We were a complete smoke and mirrors team that got lucky with some timely turnovers)Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
The nail in the coffin was a 45-0 public execution to Ole Miss. Maybe the worst beating I have ever seen us take.
Croom was awful.
Maybe you're forgotten the three seasons before Croom. Look it up. Also, the decision to fire Croom was made after the La Tech loss to start the season. We could have beat Ole Miss 45 -0 and he still would have been run off. Finally, I remember that team being two kicks from a winning record. My point about competiveness stands. Croom made plenty of mistakes, but he did build the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
That whole decade was the worst in our history, but the blame does not all go to Croom. Look it up.
We got our ass kicked by Louisiana Tech in his 5th season. What a competitive program we were.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
He didn't have the resume.
He was the running backs coach for the Packers. I'd be willing to bet you can't name one running back coach in the NFL right now; I certainly can't.
Offensive coordinator for the Lions with the best running back to ever play the game. Still only managed 2 winning seasons (Both 9-7)