Bo Bounds: Would Hud Be 5-0 Right Now?

The consensus with Bo and his producers was yes. He runs a power spread similar to Mullen. This team would be the most talented he's ever coached. He would run AW and KH hard. He wouldn't be asking Fitz to be Joe Montana.

They also thought Nutt, Miles, Freeze and Mullen would be 5-0 right now with this level of talent.

Can't say that I really disagreed with anything they said. It was about adapting to what you have. Bo doesn't understand the stubbornness coming out of Moorhead. Good coaches adapt and do it quickly.

This whole fanbase will hate joe Moorhead if he loses the next 2. I don't think he'd ever recover

I know the season looks bad and may be bad the rest of the year but I've never seen a Coach get as much heat at Msu in year one as Moorhead. I have said several times I don't like what I have seen but it's year one.

I sure hope we beat Auburn to silent the crowd a little. I'm thinking it will be a close game because Auburn has issues as well.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I know the season looks bad and may be bad the rest of the year but I've never seen a Coach get as much heat at Msu in year one as Moorhead. I have said several times I don't like what I have seen but it's year one.

I sure hope we beat Auburn to silent the crowd a little. I'm thinking it will be a close game because Auburn has issues as well.

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No state coach has ever taken over a team this talented. Joe fed the expectations.... know your ring size, fitz Heisman talk, no one has ever picked this offense up so quick, etc. He deserves every bit of the criticism

I agree. I think Hud would be 5-0 right now.

We just have to hope that Moorhead has a higher future ceiling.

It's wild how much of a learning curve we've had and how Moorhead's offense requires a completely different mentality and identity than the previous offense along with these coaches not understanding the SEC.

I wonder if Cohen would've hired Moorhead if he knew the learning curve would be so steep?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I agree. I think Hud would be 5-0 right now.

We just have to hope that Moorhead has a higher future ceiling.

It's wild how much of a learning curve we've had and how Moorhead's offense requires a completely different mentality and identity than the previous offense along with these coaches not understanding the SEC.

I wonder if Cohen would've hired Moorhead if he knew the learning curve would be so steep?

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Hell no. Cohen had a chance to be the AD that hired a coach to get us back to Atlanta. Now we looking at Birmingham

Better question would be:

What coaches would NOT be 5-0 right now?

That?s because Moorhead has ruined the most talented team in decades

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Originally Posted by basedog

I know the season looks bad and may be bad the rest of the year but I've never seen a Coach get as much heat at Msu in year one as Moorhead. I have said several times I don't like what I have seen but it's year one.

I sure hope we beat Auburn to silent the crowd a little. I'm thinking it will be a close game because Auburn has issues as well.

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I agree. He loses to Kentucky- a 5-0 Kentucky with wins over us, Florida, and South Carolina- and our fans have just totally left the bandwagon. It's odd.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This whole fanbase will hate joe Moorhead if he loses the next 2. I don't think he'd ever recover

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I will agree that if we continue to look like Croomcoast 2.0 and we lose then people will be pissed. I will say that we all of the sudden have Bama complex where we are supposed to beat 2 top ten teams. The only time Mullen won against teams like that was in 2014 with Dak and a shitload of NFL Defensive players.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I know the season looks bad and may be bad the rest of the year but I've never seen a Coach get as much heat at Msu in year one as Moorhead. I have said several times I don't like what I have seen but it's year one.

I sure hope we beat Auburn to silent the crowd a little. I'm thinking it will be a close game because Auburn has issues as well.

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He deserves every bit of criticism he's gotten. I think he can be good here m, but at very least he completely monkey 17ed the evaluation of this team and it's players.

Feels like the new staff was extremely arrogant and didn't quite respect what Mullen did here

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree. He loses to Kentucky- a 5-0 Kentucky with wins over us, Florida, and South Carolina- and our fans have just totally left the bandwagon. It's odd.

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Because (1) Kentucky is not good, (2) we didn't lose a competitive game, it was 3 TDs, and (3) we scored 7 points and had 45 yards in the second half. And the offense was not fixed in the next game; if anything, it was worse.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Hell no. Cohen had a chance to be the AD that hired a coach to get us back to Atlanta. Now we looking at Birmingham

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Cohen rolled the dice trying to get us a coach who could get us to Atlanta. Everyone accepts that Mullen would never get us there. Moorhead's offense, when it works, is the type of offense that gives you a chance to beat Bama. Whether Moorhead figures it out or gets let go, Cohen attempted to get the coach.

You wouldn't think that the 2 time Offensive coordinator of the year would have this much trouble.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Because (1) Kentucky is not good, (2) we didn't lose a competitive game, it was 3 TDs, and (3) we scored 7 points and had 45 yards in the second half. And the offense was not fixed in the next game; if anything, it was worse.

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UK is a good team, probably at least as good as we were last year. The game was competitive until the last few minutes when the defense wore down. If you want to say we weren't offensively competitive then I agree.

Right now we have zero confidence on offense. Mitchell dropping the TD pass broke their back.

Miles and Nutt? Good grief. And if you thought what Moorehead is doing doesn’t fit our personnel, Miles would be a disaster

Hud runs a spread but his philosophy and designs depart from what Mullen does is several areas. He also prefers passing and had numerous games of less than 100 yards rushing and throwing it 30+ times.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree. He loses to Kentucky- a 5-0 Kentucky with wins over us, Florida, and South Carolina- and our fans have just totally left the bandwagon. It's odd.

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Kentucky is a really good team, Moorhead has time and for the so call experts on Msu sports thinking he will be fired after one year are dreamers. Ain't gonna happen unless he parties at a sorority house or the FBI raids his house and finds 100 pounds of cocaine.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He deserves every bit of criticism he's gotten. I think he can be good here m, but at very least he completely monkey 17ed the evaluation of this team and it's players.

Feels like the new staff was extremely arrogant and didn't quite respect what Mullen did here

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Dude, yes he deserves criticism, but I didn't get the feel Moorhead or staff had any kind of arrogant attitude especially against Mullen. Now ED arrogant attitude toward Mullen yes indeed.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

No state coach has ever taken over a team this talented. Joe fed the expectations.... know your ring size, fitz Heisman talk, no one has ever picked this offense up so quick, etc. He deserves every bit of the criticism

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Guess what 7, what you said is exactly what the fans want and expect plus they have been saying, so it goes both ways. It's game 5, it looks bad but it can change, beating Auburn would be a huge step.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Dude, yes he deserves criticism, but I didn't get the feel Moorhead or staff had any kind of arrogant attitude especially against Mullen. Now ED arrogant attitude toward Mullen yes indeed.

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He's certainly not arrogant with the way he talks, but his actions say different. Perhaps foolish would be a better word.

You don't attempt to fix what isn't broke. There is a difference between "fixing" and "transitioning".

MSU's offense didn't need to be fixed. It needed to transition. Fixing something requires immediate change, while transitioning something means gradually evolving something.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He deserves every bit of criticism he's gotten. I think he can be good here m, but at very least he completely monkey 17ed the evaluation of this team and it's players.

Feels like the new staff was extremely arrogant and didn't quite respect what Mullen did here

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There is a difference in criticism and concern about production, and raving like loons about firing a guy 5 games into the season.
And throw Nutt and Freeze out of this conversation completely. Nutt has been out of the game 10 years and what he would have done with this type team is irrelevant .
Freeze never ran the ball with any real success. So what would he do with an offense that couldn't pass and had no top end WR talent?

And Hud. A guy that couldn't win at U La La would have us at 5-0? The Hud myth will never die. And Bobby Wallace should have replaced The Kang in '96.

Now Mullen, he probably does have us at 5-0, 4-1 at worst. Personally, I don't think he beats Kentucky - but that is arguable. What I do know, is that Dan would likely lose 1 of AU or LSU plus Bama, and possibly all 3. He couldn't beat teams with elite defenses, and he wouldn't do it with this team for the same reason that Moorhead has failed so far - elite defenses shut down our running game and force us to pass the ball and we don't have the talent on the OL, the QB or at WR to do that against top line defenses.