Dear/Gibson/Lee/Murphy?

Dear: obviously smn went on off the field. Does anybody know how long before he is out of dog house? Talk about a waste of a playmaker on a team with very few playmakers.

Gibson/Murphy: are they just not ready mentally yet? Or are they not as good as we were led to believe, especially Gibson who had a committable bama offer?

Lee: I don't know wth is going on here. I know he missed a curfew or smn a year ago, but can we not give him a five play package just to see if he can help us?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Dear: obviously smn went on off the field. Does anybody know how long before he is out of dog house? Talk about a waste of a playmaker on a team with very few playmakers.

Gibson/Murphy: are they just not ready mentally yet? Or are they not as good as we were led to believe, especially Gibson who had a committable bama offer?

Lee: I don't know wth is going on here. I know he missed a curfew or smn a year ago, but can we not give him a five play package just to see if he can help us?

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There is more going on than just missing a curfew or some minor team rule violation. Some of it is continuous, some stuff is more significant violations. Throw in some head case issues with 1 or 2 of them.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There is more going on than just missing a curfew or some minor team rule violation. Some of it is continuous, some stuff is more significant violations. Throw in some head case issues with 1 or 2 of them.

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Gibson too?

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There is more going on than just missing a curfew or some minor team rule violation. Some of it is continuous, some stuff is more significant violations. Throw in some head case issues with 1 or 2 of them.

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I thought we recruited only high character kids who had their acts together? And bought into the hard work and discipline approach.

As WMD alluded to yesterday, it's possible that the young guys not playing isn't just a Mullenism and actually justified. Look at Aeris on Saturday: he fumbled and busted two plays by running the wrong way on a handoff and whiffing in pass protection, all in the few snaps he was on the field, in his third year with the team. If he's beating out Gibson and Murphy for playing time then they can't be doing much better. It's starting to seem like a very real possibility that none of these guys are actually ready to play, in which case system over-complexity and/or poor position coaching need to be considered in addition to Mullen's stubborn loyalty to upperclassmen.

Y'all do realize that Dear started Saturday night, right???

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Y'all do realize that Dear started Saturday night, right???

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How many touches did he get?

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Y'all do realize that Dear started Saturday night, right???

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No I didn't realize that. But it doesn't change anything. He supposedly is one of about 3 playmakers on offense. He needs 5-7 touches a game minimum

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Originally Posted by thf24

As WMD alluded to yesterday, it's possible that the young guys not playing isn't just a Mullenism and actually justified. Look at Aeris on Saturday: he fumbled and busted two plays by running the wrong way on a handoff and whiffing in pass protection, all in the few snaps he was on the field, in his third year with the team. If he's beating out Gibson and Murphy for playing time then they can't be doing much better. It's starting to seem like a very real possibility that none of these guys are actually ready to play, in which case system over-complexity and/or poor position coaching need to be considered in addition to Mullen's stubborn loyalty to upperclassmen.

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Points noted. But could we not give them a five play package to learn just to see if they can help us? I don't need them to know every pass pro or the whole offense to do that.

Maybe some of these guys just don't want to work hard enough to learn and get better. When I watched Dak Sunday I thought about how he played as a freshman. He got where he is with a lot of hard work and studying.
Whatever is going on with these guys it still falls on the coaches to do whatever it takes to get the talented guys on the field but I find it hard to believe that our system is so complicated that after 2 full years Aeris wasn't coached well enough to do the things he couldn't do Saturday night. To me that also shows lack of effort on the part of the player.

Guess what if we give them a 5 play package other teams will figure it out real quick and key on that when they come in.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

Guess what if we give them a 5 play package other teams will figure it out real quick and key on that when they come in.

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I don't think a 5 play package implies run the same five plays over and over again. It implies run the 5 plays and get one of your better playmakers (assuming they are a better playmaker) 3 to 4 touches.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

Guess what if we give them a 5 play package other teams will figure it out real quick and key on that when they come in.

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It wouldn't be the same plays every week. This happens all over America, often times for quarterbacks. I'm not saying it's the cure-all, I'm just trying to suggest ways to see if these guys can help us without knowing our entire offense. Simplify it for them.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Points noted. But could we not give them a five play package to learn just to see if they can help us? I don't need them to know every pass pro or the whole offense to do that.

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I assume you are not talking about 5 plays for each of those you mentioned? You can't spend a third of your play calls in a game for that type of experimenting.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

No I didn't realize that. But it doesn't change anything. He supposedly is one of about 3 playmakers on offense. He needs 5-7 touches a game minimum

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Dear is never going to do a damn thing for us until he gives up the ghost at WR and commits full time to being a RB. MFer ain't Percy Harvin. I'm not sure if its on him for being stubborn or on our coaches for trying to either fulfill recruiting promises or they actually think he can play that role. Either way, something's gotta give. Will be the biggest waste of talent in awhile if we can't figure that out by the time he's an upperclassmen.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

Dear is never going to do a damn thing for us until he gives up the ghost at WR and commits full time to being a RB. MFer ain't Percy Harvin. I'm not sure if its on him for being stubborn or on our coaches for trying to either fulfill recruiting promises or they actually think he can play that role. Either way, something's gotta give. Will be the biggest waste of talent in awhile if we can't figure that out by the time he's an upperclassmen.

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Isn't Dear on record saying he'll do whatever, and it's Mullen who's been adamant about him staying at WR?

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

How many touches did he get?

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Only one I recall was a KR. Didn't watch close enough to see how much he played, if he got open, or if he was targeted any.

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Originally Posted by thf24

Isn't Dear on record saying he'll do whatever, and it's Mullen who's been adamant about him staying at WR?

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I have no idea, but that would be yet another major screw up in our personnel management.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I assume you are not talking about 5 plays for each of those you mentioned? You can't spend a third of your play calls in a game for that type of experimenting.

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Dear shouldn't need a package. He just needs to play a lot once he is out of the doghouse.

I'm talking about one of our backs, most likely Gibson.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

Dear is never going to do a damn thing for us until he gives up the ghost at WR and commits full time to being a RB. MFer ain't Percy Harvin. I'm not sure if its on him for being stubborn or on our coaches for trying to either fulfill recruiting promises or they actually think he can play that role. Either way, something's gotta give. Will be the biggest waste of talent in awhile if we can't figure that out by the time he's an upperclassmen.

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Agreed. He/we are wasting him