Truly hilarious that any of you think this is about Dan Mullen......

This is about Mississippi State football. A normal coach cannot build a consistent winning football program here. We simply do not have the resources that the 'haves' possess. Make peace with this fact. I'll spare you details, because certain posters will just get bogged down on them. Bottom line is, we are at the bottom when the historical equation spits out what's needed to be a successful football program.

Until we redefine how we want to compete in football, this historical trend will continue. Dan Mullen is as good as the next guy, and he'd probably win big at a 'have' school. He nearly won big here. So let's quit thinking that we can just go get another guy. I know we have more money than ever before, but if you hadn't noticed, the price to play is higher than it's ever been before too. Not to mention assistants.

Ole Miss chose to pay players and recruit better. That's them - not us. It fits them - not us.

No, we're going to have to jar our line of thinking. I don't know the answer, but it's going to have to revolve around JUCO players and a true outside the box innovative offense. Great defense should come with the territory, that's what the state of MS produces better than anything.

what I think everyone is missing when they say things like that: we lost to South Alabama. A team whose football program began the same time as Mullen's head coaching career.

Using your logic S. Alabama has more "resources" than we do; that is what is "truly hilarious". Its Mullen, dude. This is not the MSU program of 20 yrs ago, we were the 1st ever CFP committee #1 team.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

This is about Mississippi State football. A normal coach cannot build a consistent winning football program here. We simply do not have the resources that the 'haves' possess.

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Do we at least have the resources of USA?

Dan has built a "consistent winning football program." so it obviously can be done. If he plays fitz all game sat, we are 1-0 and still on a bowl track.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Using your logic S. Alabama has more "resources" than we do; that is what is "truly hilarious". Its Mullen, dude. This is not the MSU program of 20 yrs ago, we were the 1st ever CFP committee #1 team.

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We lost to a team we should not have lost to. It happens move on. Go out and win one we were not suppose to win. Other then Alabama I did not see any superman football team in the SEC. Other then Bama everyone else on our schedule can be beat.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

This is about Mississippi State football. A normal coach cannot build a consistent winning football program here. We simply do not have the resources that the 'haves' possess. Make peace with this fact. I'll spare you details, because certain posters will just get bogged down on them. Bottom line is, we are at the bottom when the historical equation spits out what's needed to be a successful football program.

Until we redefine how we want to compete in football, this historical trend will continue. Dan Mullen is as good as the next guy, and he'd probably win big at a 'have' school. He nearly won big here. So let's quit thinking that we can just go get another guy. I know we have more money than ever before, but if you hadn't noticed, the price to play is higher than it's ever been before too. Not to mention assistants.

Ole Miss chose to pay players and recruit better. That's them - not us. It fits them - not us.

No, we're going to have to jar our line of thinking. I don't know the answer, but it's going to have to revolve around JUCO players and a true outside the box innovative offense. Great defense should come with the territory, that's what the state of MS produces better than anything.

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Really a dumb and shortsighted post.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Using your logic S. Alabama has more "resources" than we do; that is what is "truly hilarious". Its Mullen, dude. This is not the MSU program of 20 yrs ago, we were the 1st ever CFP committee #1 team.

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Rep given.

I am so sick of this cop-out that, "This is just the way it's gonna be"..BS. This lame ass excuse is what has and will continue to give Dan a pass. I don't blame him for staying under those circumstances. If the fans and administration don't expect big things then he will be here forever and all will be just rosey because "poor lil Mississippi State just can't do any better...."

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Using your logic S. Alabama has more "resources" than we do; that is what is "truly hilarious". Its Mullen, dude. This is not the MSU program of 20 yrs ago, we were the 1st ever CFP committee #1 team.

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Not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP but his logic has nothing to do with one game. That's simplistic beyond a reasonable comparison. Using your statement if the loss is all Mullen then the #1 rankings is all him as well.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Until we redefine how we want to compete in football, this historical trend will continue.

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Elaborate please...

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

This is about Mississippi State football. A normal coach cannot build a consistent winning football program here. We simply do not have the resources that the 'haves' possess. Make peace with this fact. I'll spare you details, because certain posters will just get bogged down on them. Bottom line is, we are at the bottom when the historical equation spits out what's needed to be a successful football program.

Until we redefine how we want to compete in football, this historical trend will continue. Dan Mullen is as good as the next guy, and he'd probably win big at a 'have' school. He nearly won big here. So let's quit thinking that we can just go get another guy. I know we have more money than ever before, but if you hadn't noticed, the price to play is higher than it's ever been before too. Not to mention assistants.

Ole Miss chose to pay players and recruit better. That's them - not us. It fits them - not us.

No, we're going to have to jar our line of thinking. I don't know the answer, but it's going to have to revolve around JUCO players and a true outside the box innovative offense. Great defense should come with the territory, that's what the state of MS produces better than anything.

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Hopefully your other 1541 were better than this one...
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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Using your logic S. Alabama has more "resources" than we do; that is what is "truly hilarious". Its Mullen, dude.

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No, that's not true.

I'm not sure if people like you realize that the MSU's of the world show up with their C game vs. the USAs of the world, and USA brings their A game. Many times you have to rely on talent to get you through that. We could not do it. Not many coaches would have been able to do it.

Mullen may have lost the first, he may not have. But this same thing keeps happening to all our coaches throughout history. And our fans react the same way to each.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

We lost to a team we should not have lost to. It happens move on. Go out and win one we were not suppose to win. Other then Alabama I did not see any superman football team in the SEC. Other then Bama everyone else on our schedule can be beat.

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C'mon Jack, since when has Mullen done that? We are regressing as a program. USA is just the first shoe to drop.

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Originally Posted by Beaver

Elaborate please...

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I'd start with this, like I just said:

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

No, we're going to have to jar our line of thinking. I don't know the answer, but it's going to have to revolve around JUCO players and a true outside the box innovative offense. Great defense should come with the territory, that's what the state of MS produces better than anything.

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Some dude on 6-pack advocated for the Triple Option. Maybe that would work. Go hire that dude from Navy. And JUCOs - Mullen should have been using the JUCO pipeline WELL before this 2017 class where we have a bunch signed right now. Should have done that from the beginning. That should have been where the biggest amount of his relationship building time should have been spent.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

This is about Mississippi State football. A normal coach cannot build a consistent winning football program here. We simply do not have the resources that the 'haves' possess. Make peace with this fact. I'll spare you details, because certain posters will just get bogged down on them. Bottom line is, we are at the bottom when the historical equation spits out what's needed to be a successful football program.

Until we redefine how we want to compete in football, this historical trend will continue. Dan Mullen is as good as the next guy, and he'd probably win big at a 'have' school. He nearly won big here. So let's quit thinking that we can just go get another guy. I know we have more money than ever before, but if you hadn't noticed, the price to play is higher than it's ever been before too. Not to mention assistants.

Ole Miss chose to pay players and recruit better. That's them - not us. It fits them - not us.

No, we're going to have to jar our line of thinking. I don't know the answer, but it's going to have to revolve around JUCO players and a true outside the box innovative offense. Great defense should come with the territory, that's what the state of MS produces better than anything.

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Yea, people are being morons here. People are acting like we were upset by UK on Saturday. This was not having a normal slipup that every coach is going to have. This was a bad sign stacked on top of a lot of bad signs. If Mullen goes 4-8 this year, that without looking at the circumstances would be just a bad year that he certainly should be able to withstand at this point. But not having the team ready to play a sunbelt team? This wasn't a fluky game where we had ridiculous turnovers and bad breaks; our offense and defense looked shitty. There were virtually no bright spots outside of Leo Lewis because for the most part we stuck with upperclassmen that we know aren't the answer. If Mullen gets his head right and rights the ship, I'll be ready to move forward with him, even if he has put himself into a hole where we don't do better than 4 wins. But I don't think that's what's going to happen. I think Mullen is going to continue to have a lack of energy and is going to sulk. We'll see though.

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We all got dumber from having read this thread.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

I'd start with this, like I just said:


Some dude on 6-pack advocated for the Triple Option. Maybe that would work. Go hire that dude from Navy. And JUCOs - Mullen should have been using the JUCO pipeline WELL before this 2017 class where we have a bunch signed right now. Should have done that from the beginning. That should have been where the biggest amount of his relationship building time should have been spent.

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Your assuming that Mullen wanted to be here past 2017...The great debate is whether he was actually working for the future at MSU or hoping to ride Prescott's coat tails to greener pastures over the past 2 years.

Wow..
We lost to South Alabama. They just started their football program. This is all about coaching and it starts at the Top.
We pay our HC $4 million dollars, not to lose to Sun Belt teams.