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So you keep telling us**
I honestly hope you and C34 are right about this one.
Bring back stans
Then why do you keep on about it? This season sucks. It's going to continue to suck. So why do you and others bash Ray during every game like something is supposed to magically change now? No one has said Ray is the answer, we just believe in giving the guy next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
The bring back Stans crowd is retarded, though.
Because IAA it's not like we are going to not say anything during a 10 game losing streak. Get ****ing real.
Bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Just like those that say "all is well" have an opinion...others have opinions too. I'm not to the point of being as hard on Ray as some...but if we look similar next season, I'll be ready for us to pull the trigger. We're losing a lot of fairly close games lately. We're improving, but it's improvement from "horrible" to just "bad". Now...Can he take us from "bad" to "good"? We'll see.
He cant just inch his way towards better each year and us just accept it. This can't be a 10 year rebuild.
I didn't watch a minute of last nights game. I checked the score, figured we would lose by about 10, that's about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
This whole Stans/Ray argument is just so predictable. At the end of the day, it's being notorious versus being irrelevant. At least being notorious you care about games in February. Being irrelevant makes fans apathetic, which can really kills program.
I'm to the point I'm so frustrated with our basketball program I can't even bring myself to watch us play or even listen to Jim for the first time in my life.
I'm a younger guy so I guess I was spoiled by coach Williams and Stans
Totally agree... NIT or bust next year... Im still in his corner but next year is the year if he wants me to remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I understand the support of Ray, but if we finish on a 14 game losing streak and last place in the SEC with an easier schedule than last year is there truly justifiable proof that our program is improving and getting betterQuote:
Originally Posted by thedawg
I have watched basically every game... I see with my eyes that even though we arnt winning right now we are improving... If you look at things statistically we are improved... So no the wins havnt happened but because of the shitty hand he was dealt I will allow moral victory improvements this year... Next year I want 20-22 wins and a minimum of .500 in the SEC or I will lead the message board charge to get him out. Based on what I see this year I think we will see that type of team next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 601Dawg
Attendance was estimated about 1200 last night by a friend that was there. And I didn't go, and actually didn't watch the whole game on tv. Just the start and last 5 min.
They didn't quit, played hard, but damm this constant losing is not fun to watch.
I am not a bring back Stansbury fan. Didn't want him to leave, but don't think he should come back. That just don't work.
And there is literally no one that disagrees with that. Everyone is saying Ray has to do much better next year. No one here is saying Ray is for sure a good coach, we have only said lets give him a fair shake, and that is next year. It's the fact that every single game Ray is dragged over the coals by people expecting some drastic improvement which is not logical. Talk about the game, talk about how we played, but don't doom his career based on losses that we all expect to be losses. If we are here next year, he's gone. Simple as that.
Is all he has to sell is himself to HW and MN?
I agree we are improved, but my concern is that I haven't seen anything from a player that Ray has recruited that makes me think that he has an eye for talent. I also don't understand why he didn't hit the juco ranks hard last year. We should of had 4-5 new players, but instead we signed 3 and none that made an impact. His inability to recruit juco guys that can help is a major flaw, just as big a flaw as Stans lack of control of the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedawg
If you look at what we have coming in next year and who we return - it just seems like at best we are looking at a 5-7 win SEC season in year 3. I know Im not going to watch that.
This may come across as me being an asshole but I promise I dont mean it that way... IF Ray rights the ship and gives us tangible improvement next year in wins are the people that have already made up their mind on him gonna then run to the message boards and repeat: He cant recruit hes winning with Stansbury's recruits. Im not sure I can bear to read that over and over.
First time in 10 years I failed to purchase my two season tickets to the Hump. It just isn't pretty to watch. Embarrassing is more like it.
Well to be honest, take away Roquez, Sword, Fred, and Gavin Ware and the rest of the players that Ray has brought in aren't very good. They play hard and get the most out of their abilities such as Bloodman who plays his guts out, but he's just not a solid SEC player IMO. Bortchert would have been a good sub on old teams of ours and I dont think that Davis or even Ready would have played much on old MSU teams based on Talent and ability.
if we give Ray another year it could be the end of the program. if he fails next season we'll be worse off than we were when Stans left.
1 thing matters rigt now because "winning" sure as shit doesn't. Attendance. Sell tickets and have butts in seats. Next year will be the worst year of ticket sales and attendance in the last decade if we keep Ray. That's a hell of a gamble to take IMO and it's not one you take on the chance that he may turn it around. You'd better damn well know. Otherwise the program is tanked for a decade barring Larry Brown leaving the State of Texas.