Poll Question: Should we fire Lebby if we finish 4-8 (0-8)?

Regardless of the result, take note, Selmon. I know people from the Athletic Department read this board.

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

Nope he gets another year. But unless he starts developing KT then we will be worse next year. He is married to RPO and won't adjust to the players he has. BTW MVB looked dam good in mop up duty last night.

If 0-16? Absolutely.

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

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I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

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Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

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And who is the upgrade. Known upgrade??? Doesn't exist. Yes there might be a coach that is better. But it's going to be another assistant or some low level g6 guy that's a crapshoot. And we will get nobody in the portal this year in a change.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

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So should Vandy have fired Clark Lea??? Just asking

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

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One worry from some sports peeps is that Wall street Hedge funds getting involved. Now that will destroy the sport.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

So should Vandy have fired Clark Lea??? Just asking

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Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

I cannot defend 0-16

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

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Exactly. No coach you can name that's worth a damn started 0 for conference play in his first two years. Mostly because they get fired for that kind of performance. The few that got more time were all fired shortly thereafter because they never really turned it around.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

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We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

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And then 0-8 in Y3

get KT to grasp what is involved with the P in RPO first

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

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For the record the people that brought in O'Connor were mostly former baseball players and one MLB agent who made millions in MLB.

It wasn't like some random millionaires in Jackson or something like that.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

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This is my answer.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

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Then went 2-10 0-8 his third year. So????

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Originally Posted by Pancho

get KT to grasp what is involved with the P in RPO first

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KT will be a stud in a Malzahn/Mullen spread offense. Gonna be fun watching him wherever he is next season.