This post is extremely out of character for me, but here it is....

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

Here Here.

If we fire Lebby, we might go 2 years without winning an sec game... like Lebby

Our program needs stability. I just hope Lebby figures it out.

I agree that we shouldn't fire Lebby ... today. If he can get us to 6-6, then I'm fine with bringing him back for 2026, even though I do still see some red flags. If we finish 5-7, that's a really tough call. If we finish 4-8, then it's a very easy call to fire. "Stability" isn't a thing anymore. Nobody has stability. Every team flips their roster every offseason.

The ball is in his court. He needs to show us that there's reason for us to believe he can win something here.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Our program needs stability. I just hope Lebby figures it out.

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Right, if we fired Lebby, we might go winless in the sec like Lebby has done and will do again this season

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Right, if we fired Lebby, we might go winless in the sec like Lebby has done and will do again this season

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But this year's winless looks much different than last years so far. And we have several games left.

I know that stills sounds bad...but it's true. We are close. Either way, I don't think firing him makes any sense this year. You don't get in a coach hiring battle with all the blue bloods. You try to take advantage of all of their turnover by having stability next year imo. If next year looks similar then by all means make the change...but this year is watchable competitive football....last year wasn't. If you can't see improvement you're blind. I know it doesn't make today any easier to swallow, but it doesn't make it less true.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

But this year's winless looks much different than last years so far. And we have several games left.

I know that stills sounds bad...but it's true. We are close. Either way, I don't think firing him makes any sense this year. You don't get in a coach hiring battle with all the blue bloods. You try to take advantage of all of their turnover by having stability next year imo. If next year looks similar then by all means make the change...but this year is watchable competitive football....last year wasn't. If you can't see improvement you're blind. I know it doesn't make today any easier to swallow, but it doesn't make it less true.

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Lebby just lost a game to a coach that will be unemployed tomorrow. He completely pissed the win away

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lebby just lost a game to a coach that will be unemployed tomorrow. He completely pissed the win away

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Saban lost to Croom

Shit happens moron

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Saban lost to Croom

Shit happens moron

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What sec coach has lost to Lebby?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Right, if we fired Lebby, we might go winless in the sec like Lebby has done and will do again this season

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which booster are you tight with that will fund the $15MM to fire the staff so that you will be happy? Then will he also throw in another $15MM to help hire the new staff plus will he add another $5MM to help build a roster?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Saban lost to Croom

Shit happens moron

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Has he always been this retarded?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

But this year's winless looks much different than last years so far. And we have several games left.

I know that stills sounds bad...but it's true. We are close. Either way, I don't think firing him makes any sense this year. You don't get in a coach hiring battle with all the blue bloods. You try to take advantage of all of their turnover by having stability next year imo. If next year looks similar then by all means make the change...but this year is watchable competitive football....last year wasn't. If you can't see improvement you're blind. I know it doesn't make today any easier to swallow, but it doesn't make it less true.

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They just implied on SEC Nation (or whatever the wrap up show is) that Lebby doesn’t know how to coach football. If you think retaining someone who gives that impression to the national media then I don’t know what to tell you. This football program has fallen…hard. But I’m not going to blame the coaches or the players. We need to look at who keeps putting them in the position to lose, though. Our football search and hiring process is ****ed. Has been since Mullen left. Need to look hard at who is pulling those purse strings and probably cut them out of the process. Otherwise, we fire Lebby and just get another one not prepared or qualified for the job.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

What sec coach has lost to Lebby?

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We knew we werent going to win an SEC game last year before the season started. We didnt spend hardly shit on a roster as we went to rebuild.

He is now where he has a fighting chance this year. But Vegas had us at 3.5 wins. We have already exceeded expectations. I didnt think for a second we would make a bowl game

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Originally Posted by Coach34

which booster are you tight with that will fund the $15MM to fire the staff so that you will be happy? Then will he also throw in another $15MM to help hire the new staff plus will he add another $5MM to help build a roster?

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I'm more in favor of just saying f football and giving the money to jans. I won't say what Lebby is doing is acceptable when I didn't think arnett or Moorhead did were either. All suck, and losing close games to bad sec teams shouldn't be celebrated

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Has he always been this retarded?

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Unfortunately yes.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

which booster are you tight with that will fund the $15MM to fire the staff so that you will be happy? Then will he also throw in another $15MM to help hire the new staff plus will he add another $5MM to help build a roster?

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None. We don’t have any that would. They would rather spend it on baseball so State will be even more irrelevant to the SEC. Most of them are dumbasses with more money than sense.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm more in favor of just saying f football and giving the money to jans. I won't say what Lebby is doing is acceptable when I didn't think arnett or Moorhead did were either. All suck, and losing close games to bad sec teams shouldn't be celebrated

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Nobody is celebrating anything (altho I'm very happy we covered and Bama ML hit) but unless you got $40MM to give to football- this is where we are now. I've been telling you guys for a couple of years now we dont have the money. Too many of you still have 2010 mindset. That's long gone. We spent alot more on this roster for this season and we are competitive. But we are still 14th-16th in the SEC in spending on the roster. This is our new normal until we get some people that get pissed off and start funding like the baseball guys did this past April

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nobody is celebrating anything (altho I'm very happy we covered and Bama ML hit) but unless you got $40MM to give to football- this is where we are now. I've been telling you guys for a couple of years now we dont have the money. Too many of you still have 2010 mindset. That's long gone. We spent alot more on this roster for this season and we are competitive. But we are still 14th-16th in the SEC in spending on the roster. This is our new normal until we get some people that get pissed off and start funding like the baseball guys did this past April

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You're defending a crap coaching job. Only Lebby loses that game today. That's the only sec coach that loses that game.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

None. We don’t have any that would. They would rather spend it on baseball so State will be even more irrelevant to the SEC. Most of them are dumbasses with more money than sense.

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Ignorance is bliss. Baseball takes care of itself now that Lem and Cohen are gone. That is a tightly tuned organization now. With a group of people that know the game and how to run and fund the organization.