Sunday Morning QB with SVS-Setbacks Are Inevitable in This League Edition

Week 6 With SVS

Well last night was a let down. There is no way around that. And it may be worse depending on the severity of whatever Bothwell has. I thought going into our game that 7 wins was for the taking after watching Texas. Coming out of it, I am not sure 5 is a slam dunk.

1. Last night was not solely on Shapen, but he deserves blame. There were lots of time last night that Blake had no chance to throw the ball. He was dropping and getting pressure before he could fully complete his drop. I think if we are going to continue to have OL troubles we need to abandon the RPO portion to give Shapen time. The botched RPO handoff was really bad. I think it was only 14-3 at that time so we?re still very much in the game. He has to be better. The INT is not on him. The OL has to give him time there. He had Seydou and Brennen wide open.

2. To the ones clamoring for Kamario, you?re not getting it this year. He simply isn?t ready. You could tell last night when the cadence change caused us to jump on 3rd and goal. I can promise you that if Lebby thought he was ready he would be in. Now, the what would it hurt to put him in conversation is something completely different. I wouldn?t necessarily disagree that it wouldn?t hurt to get him a series or 2, but understand what will happen when that occurs. With our OL, it will go poorly and our fans will say he?s a bust. You know how I know that? Because it has happened to every backup QB in my lifetime. They are the greatest until they play and then they suck. Let the kid develop and don?t count out Kromenhoek.

3. The game potentially changed on Booth tripping. He scores there and I think it?s a completely different ballgame. I think that would?ve taken some of the pressure of Shapen and the offense and would?ve opened up some deep shots.

4. The Bothwell injury is concerning to say the least. He has been incredible this year and we can?t afford to lose him. I have heard some stuff this morning that gives me a little hope that maybe it is just a really bad sprain. Lebby also said X-Ray in the postgame and if it was a knee they would?ve just gone straight to MRI. To the people saying that Shapen set him up to be hurt, stop watching football. Shapen threw the check down, like he is supposed to. Fluff made a guy miss and got 12 yards on the play before off the same action. He just got rolled up on the next play.

5. We have to find a way to get the WRs involved again. They were a huge part of the offense early andj and are now struggling to get catches and yards. Good to see Ayden start to get more run. I thought he was a bright spot last night.

6. The OL is shit. No way around it. Luke Work is not a tackle at this level. He is barely a guard but most definitely not a tackle.

7. The DL, and the D as a whole, played their ass off. I thought Jaray Bledsoe and Malick Sylla played really well. Sylla had a chance at a pick but reacted a tad too late. Also liked what I saw out of Jamil Burroughs and Red Hibbler

8. Our LBs were kind of a mixed bag. Jalen Smith played really well and Branden Jennings played really well. Lockhart played hard but had some stupid penalties, one in particular. Zakari and Gullete took some steps back last night. Not some of their better games.

9. I do not think our corners played particularly well. Kelley was ok in coverage, he had a pick, but he got beat deep a few times and then let Concepcion bully him to get the TD

10. Pulliam was big in the punt game to keep us in it. Avg?d 46 yards a punt. No clue why we tried to run Tyce out there for his one punt. I feel like Ethan could have pinned them inside the 10 easily.

11. The BYE comes at a good time for us. I would hate to catch Florida next week after coming off the emotional high of the Texas win. I think A&M will beat them up a good bit whereas we will be as healthy as possible going into that game.

12. If you are pissed that we have lost 2 in a row because you changed your expectations after starting 4-0 then that is on you. Our schedule was always a murderers row and 7 was always the ceiling. We just have to find a way to 6, and it is definitely out there.

Keep the fight, keep the faith. HailState

If we have no problem running Taylor out there inside the 5, why should we have a problem getting a few series a game in other spots. I mean the game was over last night, so that's a perfect time to let him get his feet wet. Is the reasoning this - we can trust you in the biggest spots (4th down or at the goal line), but in a blowout? Get outta here... you aren't ready for that

I can't disagree with your post. Our defense played well and never gave up, yes it got out of hand mainly because of our offense having only two first downs in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. The fumble really turned us upside down on the finally score.

I just don't think some don't understand how bad of a situation Lebby inherited, I have said this before, yes, he is still learning on the job. But we are a work in progress, I like his staff especially on defense, we just have to recruit. I think under the circumstances we did ok in the portal but we gotta get more or better next year.

I think we will win a few more games. Open dates does come at a good time to regroup for the team and fans.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we have no problem running Taylor out there inside the 5, why should we have a problem getting a few series a game in other spots. I mean the game was over last night, so that's a perfect time to let him get his feet wet. Is the reasoning this - we can trust you in the biggest spots (4th down or at the goal line), but in a blowout? Get outta here... you aren't ready for that

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I think the same way on this. Or what about the Fsu QB getting some snaps? Let me make this clear, it wouldn't make any difference in the outcome but at least give the guys some playing experience and feel for the game.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I think the same way on this. Or what about the Fsu QB getting some snaps? Let me make this clear, it wouldn't make any difference in the outcome but at least give the guys some playing experience and feel for the game.

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Exactly. It was obvious last night that Shapen wasn't gonna give us a chance with our oline vs them. I mean if Shapen is "the clear cut #1", then you owe it to the team to pull him out that bloodbath to protect him. I'm not saying bench Shapen, but when it ain't working, try something else for that game.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we have no problem running Taylor out there inside the 5, why should we have a problem getting a few series a game in other spots. I mean the game was over last night, so that's a perfect time to let him get his feet wet. Is the reasoning this - we can trust you in the biggest spots (4th down or at the goal line), but in a blowout? Get outta here... you aren't ready for that

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I think it is simply we trust him to come in and do the Tebow thing and run the ball but he is still learning how to make a read, go through his progressions, etc. And when your offensive line is getting mauled it is probably not a good time to put in a freshman and risk killing his confidence.

I am not saying we should not have given it a look, but I also know what will happen the minute he goes out there and fails, which he will. Not because he is bad, but because he is young and our OL is crap. I know the minute he throws a pick, takes a sack, or fumbles it we will have fans calling him a bust. The best football player of all time is always the Mississippi State backup QB. He is a mix of Joe Montana and Tom Brady, until he takes starter reps and then all of a sudden he is god awful and a waste of a scholarship.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I think it is simply we trust him to come in and do the Tebow thing and run the ball but he is still learning how to make a read, go through his progressions, etc. And when your offensive line is getting mauled it is probably not a good time to put in a freshman and risk killing his confidence.

I am not saying we should not have given it a look, but I also know what will happen the minute he goes out there and fails, which he will. Not because he is bad, but because he is young and our OL is crap. I know the minute he throws a pick, takes a sack, or fumbles it we will have fans calling him a bust. The best football player of all time is always the Mississippi State backup QB. He is a mix of Joe Montana and Tom Brady, until he takes starter reps and then all of a sudden he is god awful and a waste of a scholarship.

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This is college football. You can run a guy like Taylor out there to run the ball and have a RPO play that's either a wide open wr or a run. His running ability makes DEs think contain, not let's just go all out at Shapen who can't beat us with his legs.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is college football. You can run a guy like Taylor out there to run the ball and have a RPO play that's either a wide open wr or a run. His running ability makes DEs think contain, not let's just go all out at Shapen who can't beat us with his legs.

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But he has to know how to run the RPO and the coaches have to trust him to make those reads against SEC defenses. Our coaches do not at this point. Maybe they will in 2 weeks. Like I said, BYE comes at a great time for us. Gives us time to recover and reevaluate something’s.

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

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Originally Posted by msugolf

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

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The fallacy in this argument is that the third and most likely scenario is the 5th year senior just gives you the best chance to win now. That simple.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

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Or…..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp…..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

Shapen or KT won’t matter until the offensive line makes massive improvements. They’re getting us killed. We can’t do wr screens because we don’t block well on the perimeter either.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Or…..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp…..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

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I don't understand why some people think Lebby is keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench out of spite or something.

If KT could run this offense the way Lebby wants it then Shapen would be in a MState Polo holding a clipboard on the sidelines every Saturday.

He ain't ready yet.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Or…..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp…..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

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Amazing how simple the answer is.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I don't understand why some people think Lebby is keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench out of spite or something.

If KT could run this offense the way Lebby wants it then Shapen would be in a MState Polo holding a clipboard on the sidelines every Saturday.

He ain't ready yet.

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But he is a Mississippi kid who was highly rated that people watched dominate 3A Mississippi HS football so naturally he is the next Cam Newton. We have too many new age fans that do not remember Kevin Fant had even more hype and flamed out because he was not ready and he had a terrible O Line.

If Taylor was ready, he would be on the field. Lebby is learning as a head coach but he's not blind.

Damn, even if he isn’t ready, what would it hurt to give him a series. Shapen ain’t it. He has zero pocket presence. He hold the ball too long. He only hits open receivers. He really can’t run.he is short. He set Fluff up to get hurt. Why was Fluff in the game. Hell, why was Shapen in the game? By putting KT in the game our running backs Will be better. Nobody respects Shapen to run, KT can and He can throw (better than Shapen) it is stupid not to give KT a shot.

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

Shapen or KT won’t matter until the offensive line makes massive improvements. They’re getting us killed. We can’t do wr screens because we don’t block well on the perimeter either.

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This is correct.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Damn, even if he isn’t ready, what would it hurt to give him a series. Shapen ain’t it. He has zero pocket presence. He hold the ball too long. He only hits open receivers. He really can’t run.he is short. He set Fluff up to get hurt. Why was Fluff in the game. Hell, why was Shapen in the game? By putting KT in the game our running backs Will be better. Nobody respects Shapen to run, KT can and He can throw (better than Shapen) it is stupid not to give KT a shot.

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It is hard to have pocket presence when there is no pocket. Shapen is not perfect by any stretch but no QB could play with our OL. They are just terrible.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

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It's also the coach's job to put the best players on the field. Our best ever QB had to redshirt and then he was what KT is now as a RS freshman and then he took over as a RS sophomore. Because a player isn't ready as a freshman isn't an indictment on the coach's in any way shape or form.