Sunday Morning QB- We Are Bad Edition

1. What a terrible weekend. Bad loss on Friday night followed up by not even cooking anything good. And then wellllllll

2. We are the worst P4 team in the country as writer's said before the season. I was thinking Croom level bad but then remembered Croom's team did play some defense. We are Jackie's last season bad.

3. Let's start with Lebby. We start with a holding penalty followed by a run to make it 2nd and 19 and then another run to make it 3rd and 18. The playcalling was bad at times. I got on Mullen at times about the same thing. Lebbo has proven to be a good playcaller in the past while an OC- very lackluster in games as a HC to this point. Showtime my ass. And dont get me started about going for it before half from the f'ing 12 yard line. Take the 3 there and have some momentum going into half- not to mention cutting it to a possible 3 score game. Desperation rarely pans out.

4. OL is bad. We all see it. Get absolutely no push. Allowed 5 sacks to damn Toledo. Just a bad group right now. Daniels made them look a little better so thats encouraging moving forward. He appears to be the only RB we have.

5. A friend pointed out that the only highlights he saw of Shapen before the season was him racking up yards in blowout games. Looks like this season will be no different.

6. We lack talent defensively. DL and LB are simply not very good. It's really hard to judge the DC in a fair way based on the talent we are putting on the field. Not only that- we are f'ing soft. We kept having guys hurt after tackling players from mf'ing Toledo. Toledo beat us up yesterday. Toledo. Not SEC. NOT SEC. Toledo.

7. Thanks again to Arnett and staff for taking the bullet that was moving on from the lack of recruiting and softass Airbone of Leach. That price was going to be paid at some point and we did it last year. We shouldnt be as bad as we are right now. The offense should be better than it is. That's just fact. Lebbo gets all the blame for that group being bad.

8. He may end up being ok- but its a tough watch right now. Hopefully he hangs on to important recruits. Long year ahead.

Hail State

I really do not see a way back for Lebby after that game it was so bad. I think all buy-in from the players, and fans, was destroyed last night. It was a bat signal to the rest of the college football world that we are and will be terrible for the foreseeable future.

Hiring Leach was a mistake.hate to say but it?s true.

He is a great coach but changes things so dramatically hard to recover.

You?re right.

No bowl game by year three and Lebby should be gone. It is what it is. I'm willing to give him three years but year three needs to be the big turnaround.

1-11 this year.

He should be playing every young guy possible.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Hiring Leach was a mistake.hate to say but it?s true.

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As much as it pains me to say this (I have to be his biggest fan who posts here), I am going to agree with this statement ... but ONLY because he died.

We finished 9-4 in ranked in 2022. We would have done that again last year if Leach were still alive, and he would have had us as an 8-9 win program (with an occasional spike up to playoff contention) going forward.

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

1-11 this year.

He should be playing every young guy possible.

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Are there any "young guys"?? If I'm Parsons dad I 'm paying lebby not to get my son killed.

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Are there any "young guys"?? If I'm Parsons dad I 'm paying lebby not to get my son killed.

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Ha good point

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

As much as it pains me to say this (I have to be his biggest fan who posts here), I am going to agree with this statement ... but ONLY because he died.
and he would have had us as an 8-9 win program (with an occasional spike up to playoff contention) going forward.

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I'm gonna disagree with that statement. Leach wasnt recruiting to replace what he had. Yes, going off his history it says he would have- but I just dont think he would have kept it going. We are barren on defense on the DL and at LB

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

As much as it pains me to say this (I have to be his biggest fan who posts here), I am going to agree with this statement ... but ONLY because he died.

We finished 9-4 in ranked in 2022. We would have done that again last year if Leach were still alive, and he would have had us as an 8-9 win program (with an occasional spike up to playoff contention) going forward.

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

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Mike Leach, his staff and their recruiting philosophy are directly responsible for the personnel situation that this program faces today. That hire was just another bad decision made by John Cohen who is finally being shown just how awful he was.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm gonna disagree with that statement. Leach wasnt recruiting to replace what he had. Yes, going off his history it says he would have- but I just dont think he would have kept it going. We are barren on defense on the DL and at LB

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And who was recruiting the defensive side of the ball? The guy you just said that "took a bullet" for the program that our dumbass boosters kept to "Lee recruiting intact."

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Mike Leach, his staff and their recruiting philosophy are directly responsible for the personnel situation that this program faces today. That hire was just another bad decision made by John Cohen who is finally being shown just how awful he was.

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He has been gone two years. You can flip a roster in one. This staff didn't do that. And yes Cohen was a bad AD but if he was in charge when Leach passes he probably hires Hugh Freeze and we move forward.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm gonna disagree with that statement. Leach wasnt recruiting to replace what he had. Yes, going off his history it says he would have- but I just dont think he would have kept it going. We are barren on defense on the DL and at LB

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People doubted him his whole career, and year after year he proved them wrong. I suspect he would have continued to throughout the 2020s. We'll never know for sure though.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

People doubted him his whole career, and year after year he proved them wrong. I suspect he would have continued to throughout the 2020s. We'll never know for sure though.

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One thing is for damn sure- he would have won more than five last year and he would have beaten Toledo.

If we don’t see some positivity at the end of the year, going to be tough to renew my tickets for next year. Team full of pu***ies was what I watched last night.

This did not start with Leach. I am not sure why the OP did that.
We have leadership issues which involve alumni, who pushed Cohen onto our program as AD .

He hired Jomo, and then tried to hire Joe Judge. He was arrogant , and our game day experiences diminished while other schools spent money in marketing and increasing the fan experience.
But I guess all is equal with him for getting those cheaper hot dogs ***

To start today's post as Arnet being a martyr for a defense he himself recruited in the first place is something else.

What turned me off from MSU football was last season at posters(only a few) here, and our Rosebowl and others promoting Arnett and the buddies hired.

I know you guys are Leach haters, but had he lived, we'd be coming off back-to-back 9 win seasons. He had stabilized the program and brought back Mullen style toughness. It may have not been exciting or pretty, but results were there. Would Leach have been a good fit for the portal/NIL era? Who knows, but he was one of the highest IQ coaches of all time, he probably would have adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And who was recruiting the defensive side of the ball? "

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The HC is always The Closer

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that the SEC offices knew 15/20 years ago that the landscape of college football was going to play out like this so they gave us the last 10 years to have some fun before our eventual demise.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that the SEC offices knew 15/20 years ago that the landscape of college football was going to play out like this so they gave us the last 10 years to have some fun before our eventual demise.

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I don’t even know what to think, dude. I never thought I would see MSU football that bad.