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"I don't wear one"
Why am I not at all surprised?
Doesn't wear condoms either, so not surprised, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
100,000 people are dead. Disaster is already here.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)
They don't care about the old and sick. Since it is only them it's no big deal. Open er up!Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Good grief dude. This game is old and dumb. So you don't care about anything but covid?? People who have had cancer couldn't get a colonoscopyDoes that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
But I know you are well, protecting yourself and your "essential" job. While the rest of us should stay at home to protect you..
.03% of the population has died. That's tragic, but it's not a disaster. And yes, it matters that somewhere between 30-40% of those people were in nursing homes. People usually die within about a year of entering a nursing home. The median stay in a nursing home before death is less than half a year. The average is just over a year because of the small percentage of residents that do survive a good while. That's not being callous. It's a normal and good thing to view deaths of young people as more of a problem than deaths of the old and infirm, for both moral and practical reasons. People making stupid staements like liverpool's are just virtue signaling to pretend that they care more than other people, or they are just children who don't understand that wishes and unicorn poop can't make reality disappear, or they are just selfish ass holes themselves and are arguing from a position of self interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Bad shit is going to happen from time to time and coronavirus is bad. We are only freaking out and destroying our economy because we have been so good at avoiding and/or managing bad things that we have deluded ourselves into thinking that they are always avoidable.
Bit dogs always yelp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Covid related discussions are hilarious to me. It really is simple. Don't be a dick. Open the economy back up. Do everything you can to avoid people best you can. Wash your hands at every opportunity. Don't go out if you are not feeling well. Wear a mask if you are in public. Reduce how much you are in public, unless you have to be there. Keep 6ft or preferred 12 feet away from everyone if possible.
If everyone did that, the virus will still spread, but it would ve manageable to a point we do not see hospitals overruns.
So simple, protect yourselves, try to protect everyone else, and don't be a dick. We are all in this together.
+1,000!!!!!!! So simple. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
nevermind, i actually read the postQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Think this is appropriate behavior for confronting a non-mask wearer?
https://twitter.com/liz_wheeler/stat...516907520?s=21
Absolutely ridiculous behavior! People have lost their damn minds!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Have any of you seen the reports on money wasted for hospital space and the price being paid for stuff. Example California spent 500K a month rent for a convention center never used. $3.00 for a .35 mask.
I don't agree with that at all, but I understand the sentiment. I could post dozens of videos of people literally coughing on people when being asked to wear a mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I am down at the beach for the week and was at a Publix and i'd say 10% are wearing masks, and publix is doing what they can to help people social distance with one lane aisles, pretty much everyone was doing their part, and of course this one 50+ or so lady comes up an aisle the wrong way and another lady also about 50 very politely says, you are coming up the wrong way. This 50+ year old lady simply lost her mind and started yelling at her that she can walk anyway she wants and no one is going to tell her which way to walk up a grocery aisle.
It was bizarre. Two different people simply said "What is wrong with you" and I said "we are all doing our best here, do your very small part"
It has bothered me ever since, I simply don't understand doing something that may have the smallest of impacts to help stop the spread of this shit. No one is asking her to donate blood, plasma or volunteer at a local food bank, simply walk one way down an aisle. That's it. Our parents were drafted into Vietnam. Our grandparents signed up as fast as possible to fight in the jungles of japan and die in Europe. They did so aggressively. People my age signed up to fight a war against terror. Now everyone is being asked to do things like wear a mask and walk one way down an aisle, and they are acting as if they are being asked to live in 1950's Russia.
I just don't understand it. This goes against everything we are as Americans. We help strangers on the side of the road. We donate to food banks, hurricane relief and other natural disasters relief funds, having no clue who the victims are, but we always just help blindly. Here, we are simply being asked to do a few things to help stop the spread of a deadly disease. I don't like wearing a mask, I don't like going one way on certain food aisles, and I don't like that going to a restaurant feels like I'm risking my life, I hate these things, but I love my community more.
I don't know any posters on this board by name, a few may know my name. If there was a post by Homedog, Hooopsdawg, msstate7 or even our main man Shotgundawg announcing that their car had broken down on Highway 603 and wanted to know who to call, and If I saw it, i'd get in my car and go help. I would hope others near the area would too.
I am sorry for rambling, but I hope more people are taking this serious than the people at the beach are or that this virus is being overrated like the bears teams coming off an inflated recruiting class.
The real question is would you come to help or come to kiss my butt? Haha... I'd do the same for you too, budQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
That is being prepared. I have zero issue with it. In my opinion, CA upheld their responsibility to their people. If, for example, LA had a gigantic outbreak (which is/was less potential than NY and Chicago) they would have needed the space. The price for stuff is a direct response to supply and demand. This is where the federal government should have stepped in and purchased literally every single mask available and distributed to the states. Why are states competing against each other for needed personal protection items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I have said this from the beginning. The federal government should have been spending 20 billion a week working on making each state as safe as it could be. 20 billion a week versus our economy is cheap. The fed has already pumped 3.5 trillion into the market that has artificially propped up the market. It was the smart move, because as things reopen and the unemployment numbers get back below 10% the market hopefully will reflect the newly opened economy and the drop won't be that drastic.
As you initial statement on CA spending 500k for additional overflow space..... I say that is exactly what they needed to do at the time. An ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of not being prepared.
I can assure you that scene would not have ended well had it been me that a bunch of 17ers were yelling at.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Exactly. HCD that was perfectly said. "we are all doing our best here, do your very small part." That is exactly it. It is sad that some people feel like they are more important than their fellow community members.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
No idea what was said prior to that video starting. Per this video, everyone yelling at this woman were being assholes. But like I said, we have no idea what instigated the exchange. I would be willing to bet that lady smarted off, instead of being apologetic that she forgot her mask. We all can do out little part, and that will make the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
Sounds like you are a billy bad ass though.
Since it's now been shown the virus attacks those with the dementia gene, I think we better understand why it's old people it's killing. It's not necessarily their age. It's genetics and underlying issues.
Go get tested for the dementia gene.
Idk how you define disaster. Guess Korea, Nam, Iraq, 9/11, Pearl Harbor, etc don't count. Normandy or bust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I harped on this very thread quite a bit about our president spending over $5 per mask from a company that has no manufacturing wing or history in the medical field, but when California spends 60% of that, they are the idiots wasting money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I expect everyone who shit on me for pointing that out to come in here and tell Jack why he's wrong and defend California. I'll wait.
You need to blame science. They are the ones who got all the projection wrong that cause all the panic. Hell if I am President and the top doctor on infection disease comes into my office and say 1 million americans are going to die you take action. Science let us down and now you have blue state governors claiming it science why they are staying shut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
The curve was flatten. Time to start going back to work and stop playing politics because this is an election year and stop using science as your excuse. I am not wearing a mask because the ****ing doctors keep changing the science. I am not going to live in fear and I am not going let someone scare me into wearing a stupid mask. I keep hoping someone will say something to me in public but two things. Hardly no one wears mask and not too many people are going to smart off to me. There is an advantage of looking like I look.
Science is not your enemy. Science is why the curve was flattened. Science will deliver us a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Jesus, if science is one side of the coin, what's the other?
Science projected that we would hit 1 million dead and overrun our hospitals if we didn't social distance. Science predicted we would have around 60k dead if we did. We social distanced some and now we're at 100k+ dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
"This vaccine prevents the flu."
'Yea well I took it and I didn't get the flu so it was pointless and science failed me.'
"..."
That's you.
And again this guy has been president for four years. It's past time to let him shift blame. He was in here to drain the swamp yet constantly blames others for anything bad that happens while taking all credit for good things that happen. That's not a leader of the free world.
So either: A. science was wrong and trump didn't put the best people on the job. B. Science was right and Trump is now wrong for questioning them and suggesting injecting lysol and now insulin.
I just don't get the mentality here. You say the president should take action if he's hearing 1 million will die. He took some action but mostly left it up to the states who for the most part took good action albeit late. 1 million didn't die. Now science is wrong. But he took action. So how is science wrong.
And now you're chastising California who got prices lower than Trump for spending negligently. But Trump spent even more negligently. And that's actually YOUR tax dollars. But somehow California and the dems are the wrong ones.
Do you see the faulty logic? I broke it down as simple as I can for you.
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Originally Posted by dantheman4248
It's a little different comparing emergent diseases and wars or acts of war. We very likely have a new disease that's just going to be part of our disease burden going forward and it has a IFR somewhere in the range of .3%. That's extremely bad. It's probably going to show up in life expectancy numbers, although not as much as you'd think because so many of the deaths are with people that likely would have died within a year anyway. It will probably be COVID and Flu season going forward, and that's a significant drain on quality of life. That could fairly be called a disaster, but I would resist that because people are using it as a reason to inflict a ton of avoidable and unnecessary harm. There are bad things that happen that are unavoidable and we shouldn't make things worse b/c we think there is always a silver bullet.
ETA: Also, while this is worse than vietnam b/c it will be an ongoing thing, 58k deaths of people of military age, many in their early twenties if not late teens, is a much bigger loss than we have suffered so far. It will probably not be worse by the time Wuhan works its way through the population unless we get an upside surprise, but as of right now, there's no question the toll of vietnam was worse.
The projections were not wrong. They were based on not doing anything at all, which they plainly said from the start. We did flatten the curve, at least so far. Where they HAVE been wrong is thinking people would cooperate fully with the recommendations. People haven't hence the death and case counts have been way higher than the models showing social distancing effects. We have to go back to work, but people won't even do something easy and simple like wear a mask. If you look at one of the common denominators with the countries that have been holding this down the best, high mask wearing compliance is one of the main ones. I'm starting to see stuff that implies it is THE main one, more so than testing. The amount of asymptomatic cases makes contact tracing and testing very problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Science didn't fail anyone. What you are seeing is scientific research played out in the public forum. Most of this stuff (at least for us anyway) happens behind the scenes and behing closed doors or at professional conventions and/or symposiums. This was an unknown virus as of 6 month ago. There has been aggressive research done on the virus over that time span. Typically, you would do your research, get it peer-reviewed, edited, then published (a 1-2 year process). At that point everyone in the relevant scientific community would read it and offer criticism or support. This would initiate more testing and research by different groups to either replicate your findings or disprove your findings and then the data parsing, writing, peer-review, publishing process would happen all over again followed by the relevant scientific community reading and reviewing the work. This happens over and over again (sometimes over a decade) until the scientific field comes to an understanding and consensus on a matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Due to the nature of this virus you are seeing that process sped up. You are seeing non-peer-reviewed articles being published online in order to expedite the process and get the info out as fast as possible due to the emergency of the situation. The problem is that media members then grab these technical articles and treat them as if they are 100% accurate when they are, in fact, theories at BEST and have yet to be fully reviewed by the scientific community.
That's not how science works and the media and other outlets need to be educated that just because a scientific article on researchgate, plos, or pubmed says "we believe XYZ based on the data gathered during the course of our research" doesn't mean that is the answer...it's just a step on the path toward the answer.
99% of media people know as much about science as someone who was born, raised, and lived their entire life in Manhattan does about farming. That goes for politicians too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Why do you think it stays around instead of disappearing like it's cousin SARS 1 in the early 2000s or MERS in 2012?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
"Science predicted we would have around 60k dead if we did (distance)" ..............when did that happen? I don't think I ever saw that number anywhere close to that low even if we distanced
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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
With those two you get real sick, real quick. There is little to no asymptomatic transmission. That makes it relatively easy to detect, trace, and isolate once you know what to look for.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Same as a lot of folks on this board haha. "Science" is never 100% precise/accurate. And models are only as good as algorithms and input data. Lots of variables there. In addition, science can be and is quite often influenced by agenda/politics .. depending on the funding source/scientist/company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I respectfully disagree with all of you who disagree with me. Just giving the friendly "just saying". If you met me at a game I'll buy you a hotdog and coke.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...n-us-by-augustQuote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
This is when everybody started saying it was no big deal