The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

The problem is our PEOPLE. I know several people who are STILL making light of this, making fun of people taking it seriously, and still going about life as if it's normal. These people are still going to restaurants, movies, stores, letting their kids play on the McDonald's playground, etc. These PEOPLE are the problem. I don't know what else our Local, State, and Federal Governments can do without declaring marshal law. People, in general, are stupid. Americans are also incredibly self-centered. THIS is why we can't turn the tide on this thing yet. By the time the stupid, selfish people get on board, it will already be a total disaster.

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This is so true. Disgusting, shameful, pathetic, and sad people.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Definitely a skewed stat to try to use in an argument.

I get his point, but right now that stat doesn't carry much weight for his defense. 7-10 days from now I will listen to those stats a little more.

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This is the crux of the issue. People being reactive vs. proactive with a disease. It's one thing to be the reactive party in a war, but this is not that. This is a disease and we must be proactive. America being reactive has already cost 99 American lives. If it was you or your family member / friend then you'd say that's a pretty unacceptable price. I'd rather none of us have to reach that point. I'd rather be called crazy and help protect people's lives from this pandemic and have all the people saying it's an overreaction be right instead of what we've had happen. Now I'm proven right and people are becoming confirmed as injected more and more each minute. A 36% increase in 24 hours shows how little testing we were actually doing.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Please if you don't mind, point me in the direction of this end all, be all, reliable source you get your news from. You definitely seem to have all the answers.


Bottom line is, people have their "source" that they rely on and always have and that's what they stick too. No, that doesn't make the sources accurate. But you expect people to do the research all of a sudden now? You are right, you can't make a blanket statement and blame this on "The Media". But at the same time, there is so much misinformation out there, and so much he said, she said, you can't expect there to be a clear and concise conversation amongst multiple people. Everyone says what they heard (and in your case lash out and call people dumb and paranoid if they disagree with you). The news is told one thing reporting what they think is true and then something new comes out and it contradicts what was originally reported. No one can win in this scenario. This happens constantly and about other stuff other than Covid-19. Get real.


To pretend like ANY and EVERY news outlet shoots everything straight is being naive. I get what you are saying, 'Do your research', 'Don't listen to everything that is spoon-fed to you', 'Don't spread rumors that you don't know are factual'. All valid points, but why do you think that some big light switch has been flipped for everyone and now people get it? You would think this would be the case but you're living in faux bubble if you expect this to happen. You might as well ask everyone to set up a lab and start performing experiments.


No that isn't an excuse for ignorance, but step into reality brother. You act like most media outlets don't run off ratings. And today, drama and the like create ratings. To think they aren't still competing for ratings (a la money) you're naive again. Most people are going to ABC, CNN, FOX, etc. You know the ones. Or just google and click the first link with the headline that suits what they want to hear. Don't even try to deny that's not the case unless you just want to make things convenient for your vacuum argument. Again that is their fault, but it's reality. I turned on one of those media outlets last night and every single thing was fear-mongering with a few sprinkles of hope stories. How would that not incite hysteria? They don't provide answers people are looking for because there aren't any answers yet. They just create more questions and unknowns. There was not one single other story spoken about other than Covid. So why do you expect people to be able to think for themselves when literally everywhere you go Covid is being talked about? Email inboxes are flooded with Company A or Company B's response to Covid like that makes a difference to anyone. Most all probably not on the same page. The obvious answer is don't read them and fend for yourself.

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One thing is more than clear at this point. There are a couple of particular networks, one in particular that have failed this country. Once this is over and if you still watch that network you need your head checked. Its not really debatable at this point. One network has intentionally downplayed this. They have intentionally put the country at risk

As far as where I get my news. I like the wires, AP, Reuters. I like PBS and the BBC. New York times and washing post are generally fine, I try not to put too much into editorials.

One thing is VERY CLEAR. there is a large section of our country that is VERY unknowledgeable about whats going on. Its not really happening with all people and all media. It is clearly centered around one type of news source. You cant really deny it. The facts are the facts. A lot of people here get their news from crap sources. Every news source has issues.....but certain ones have a lot more issues than others. And if you group together the people that understand whats going on and the ones that dont.....you will see a clear line drawn about where they get their news

Its not hard to find good accurate news. If you cant that is really on you. Its not hard to know if information you are getting is correct. Dont stick to a single source. The problem is people....on both sides.....stick only to "their" media. If you only stick to one side you will never get correct info

I'll take a break after this one, but this may put it in perspective for some:

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?

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5% of Infected needed ventilators in China.

WHO data

The US won?t run out of machines. The US has many makers and many in warehouses at DME companies.

We are probably gonna end up with 500,000 extra units for Mexico and Canada when it?s all said and done.

Many of the US vulnerable already have a ventilator.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?

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The scary thing is Italy has MORE hospital beds per person that the USA. So for the people wanting to play down the severity of Italy because of the age, some of that will be offset by our lack of hospital beds.

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Originally Posted by hacker

I'll take a break after this one, but this may put it in perspective for some:

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You need to go to worldometers.info and look at the daily stats. Daily new cases and daily deaths were actually down for Italy yesterday. It's still a lot but if you look at China's stats about a month to 7 weeks you start to see a decline in the virus from first reported. Maybe Italy has peaked...maybe not. Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by hacker

I'll take a break after this one, but this may put it in perspective for some:

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who is that guy and where is he getting his numbers?

I think the prespective people need is Italy actually just had their largest increase in both cases and deaths.

3,600 new cases yesterday; 364 deaths yesterday

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1239556975496761349[/

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

This is the crux of the issue. People being reactive vs. proactive with a disease. It's one thing to be the reactive party in a war, but this is not that. This is a disease and we must be proactive. America being reactive has already cost 99 American lives. If it was you or your family member / friend then you'd say that's a pretty unacceptable price. I'd rather none of us have to reach that point. I'd rather be called crazy and help protect people's lives from this pandemic and have all the people saying it's an overreaction be right instead of what we've had happen. Now I'm proven right and people are becoming confirmed as injected more and more each minute. A 36% increase in 24 hours shows how little testing we were actually doing.

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Are you implying what I stated is the problem, therefore, I am part of the problem?

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

who is that guy and where is he getting his numbers.

I think the prespective people need is Italy actually just had their largest increase in both cases and deaths.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1239556975496761349[/

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Their numbers dropped from yesterday to today. It's still a lot though.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

One thing is more than clear at this point. There are a couple of particular networks, one in particular that have failed this country. Once this is over and if you still watch that network you need your head checked. Its not really debatable at this point. One network has intentionally downplayed this. They have intentionally put the country at risk

As far as where I get my news. I like the wires, AP, Reuters. I like PBS and the BBC. New York times and washing post are generally fine, I try not to put too much into editorials.

One thing is VERY CLEAR. there is a large section of our country that is VERY unknowledgeable about whats going on. Its not really happening with all people and all media. It is clearly centered around one type of news source. You cant really deny it. The facts are the facts. A lot of people here get their news from crap sources. Every news source has issues.....but certain ones have a lot more issues than others. And if you group together the people that understand whats going on and the ones that dont.....you will see a clear line drawn about where they get their news

Its not hard to find good accurate news. If you cant that is really on you. Its not hard to know if information you are getting is correct. Dont stick to a single source. The problem is people....on both sides.....stick only to "their" media. If you only stick to one side you will never get correct info

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No doubt. Don't deny or disagree with anything there.

I've also thought before this even came about that if you rely on implied networks or the ones I originally mentioned you need your head checked and to quit being a follower or so one-sided. It's not the way anything else in the world works.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Their numbers dropped from yesterday to today. It's still a lot though.

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Also dropped on March 10th and has been around 3x that day's numbers ever since.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

5% of Infected needed ventilators in China.

WHO data

The US won?t run out of machines. The US has many makers and many in warehouses at DME companies.

We are probably gonna end up with 500,000 extra units for Mexico and Canada when it?s all said and done.

Many of the US vulnerable already have a ventilator.

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Thanks for looking that up.

So where did 20% come from? Why even pluck that number out of thin air and bring it here? Why try and make it an extreme scenario when it's not close to reaching that point.

Read my words before you respond. I didn't say it's not possible, but this is part of where the "why are people freaking out?" comments come from. It's not that all who ask that don't understand the severity of it, it's this type of hooplah that people read and then turn around and ask their friend questions using 20% as their jumping-off point.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

You need to learn to discern underlying facts from opinion and editorializing.

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You need to learn reading comprehension. Would love to know your thought process on how you came to that conclusion.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

They are often co-mingled cause folks don't like reading dry data, but any researched article should at least providing link directly to their data/research that supports their opinion/conclusion. Rarely does the media outright lie about data, there might be some misleading use of data, but that's easy to spot with any level of critical thinking. People want an easy knee jerk reaction instead of stepping back and wondering if maybe the underlying data supports a position you previously hadn't considered or opposed, so it's "fake news".

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It's fake news because they actually lie. And they whether they are intentionally misleading rather than lying (to the extent you see that as different), the result is the same. People can't take the news at face value, which diminishes a lot of the value of the news.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

And I get it, we have busy lives, it's much easier to have a knee jerk reaction to a headline or a first paragraph than it is to read what's behind the article, but instead of forming a hard and fast opinion that it's fake news cause you don't like the headline, maybe make a point to look deeper into this particle issue later when you have time. Or if not then don't dig your heels into a stance and refuse to hear the facts that counter your position.

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No, you really don't get it and must be fortunate enough to live in a nice little bubble. It's not about having busy lives although certainly there are people who are rationally ignorant. Those people who are rationally ignorant probably have figured this stuff out for a while, even if maybe a few days later than they would have if we had decent media. It's about a significant portion of our population not having the ability and/or inclination to research an issue of importance and the only media with any widespread reach have taken a torch to their credibility over the past decade or so for a combination of reasons, some dealing with partisanship and stupidity but also some driven by market structure and incentives.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

who is that guy and where is he getting his numbers?

I think the prespective people need is Italy actually just had their largest increase in both cases and deaths.

3,600 new cases yesterday; 364 deaths yesterday

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1239556975496761349[/

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Their numbers dropped from yesterday to today. It's still a lot though.

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Gotcha….these daily numbers are confusing me, because with the time difference I cant ever tell if I am a day behind.

I am seeing 3,600 cases....but I guess that was for the 15th? And right now the numbers of the 16th should be coming? I think that is correct

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Gotcha….these daily numbers are confusing me, because with the time difference I cant ever tell if I am a day behind.

I am seeing 3,600 cases....but I guess that was for the 15th? And right now the numbers of the 16th should be coming? I think that is correct

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Yeah, it's calculated at +0 GMT so the times are a little wonky. With that being said I just read where Italy is kind of fudging their numbers a bit because "new cases" are being reported based on a calculation that includes the new cases that day MINUS the recovered cases and deaths for that day. So they are actually reporting the difference in active cases...if I explained that correctly. No one else is doing that. Also, it's interesting that almost a full half of their cases are coming out of Lombardy. I'm not sure what the significance of that area is because I'm not really up on my Italian geography.

Well the good news (if you can call it good news) is that the death rate in the US is comparatively low to that of other countries. Almost 6,000 cases with 100 deaths gives us a death rate of around 1.6%. Still a lot of people, but that number should go down even further with increased testing. For comparison sakes, the world death rate is 4%. Italy's is almost 8%.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Well the good news (if you can call it good news) is that the death rate in the US is comparatively low to that of other countries. Almost 6,000 cases with 100 deaths gives us a death rate of around 1.6%. Still a lot of people, but that number should go down even further with increased testing. For comparison sakes, the world death rate is 4%. Italy's is almost 8%.

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I think Italy combined with lack of testing for mild cases and (in many cases) lack of quality screening tests are really throwing the stats off.

ETA: It absolutely blows my mind. I just read an article where there are complaints in Italy because Covid-19 POSITIVE individuals were made to return to work at the post office....until they were hospitalized and subsequently died three days later. Good grief...we may start seeing some of the real reasons behind Italy's death rate as info starts to leak out. That is inexcusable!!

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

One thing is more than clear at this point. There are a couple of particular networks, one in particular that have failed this country. Once this is over and if you still watch that network you need your head checked. Its not really debatable at this point. One network has intentionally downplayed this. They have intentionally put the country at risk


Its not really happening with all people and all media. It is clearly centered around one type of news source. You cant really deny it. The facts are the facts. A lot of people here get their news from crap sources. Every news source has issues.....but certain ones have a lot more issues than others. And if you group together the people that understand whats going on and the ones that dont.....you will see a clear line drawn about where they get their news

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Yeah, this is bullshit. The fact that it's been made political BY BOTH SIDES is contributing EQUALLY to the problem. You're adding to it yourself with your own editorial. Keep to the facts.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

This is so true. Disgusting, shameful, pathetic, and sad people.

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Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

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They afraid ... they very afraid.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

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Hoarders are awful.

What do you consider as panicking?

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Hoarders are awful.

What do you consider as panicking?

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You

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

You

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Specifics?

Is it because I think there is a real chance we have hospitals bed shortages in places?

Is it because I think the potential for hundreds of thousands of deaths are possible?

Is it because I think the lock downs are needed ?

Which or all of those do you disagree with? What other points?

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Specifics?

Is it because I think there is a real chance we have hospitals bed shortages in places?

Is it because I think the potential for hundreds of thousands of deaths are possible?

Is it because I think the lock downs are needed ?

Which or all of those do you disagree with? What other points?

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Ain't got time. Just be afraid ... be very afraid.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?

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Last I saw, this meant that if you got tested (i.e. if you were sick enough to go to the doctor), you had a 20% chance of needing to be hospitalized and put on a ventilator. That figure will probably change as more people are tested and more data comes in. How it relates to the number of people overall that contract the virus isn?t clear yet.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

5% of Infected needed ventilators in China.

WHO data

The US won?t run out of machines. The US has many makers and many in warehouses at DME companies.

We are probably gonna end up with 500,000 extra units for Mexico and Canada when it?s all said and done.

Many of the US vulnerable already have a ventilator.

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I need a cite for that because that is not what the health officials are saying...

https://projects.propublica.org/grap...ovid-hospitals
The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide....It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 12,000 ventilators in the national stockpile.

So as long as we have less than 75,000 people needing ventilators, everything will be fine.

8% of Chinese cases needed a ventilator.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

I need a cite for that because that is not what the health officials are saying...

https://projects.propublica.org/grap...ovid-hospitals
The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide....It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 12,000 ventilators in the national stockpile.

So as long as we have less than 75,000 people needing ventilators, everything will be fine.

8% of Chinese cases needed a ventilator.

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Obviously the ventilators will not be spread out to match the virus. Are we going to take ventilators from hospitals that aren't using them and ship them to another?

If so I think that hurts places like Mississippi. All our little hospital that might have them will have to send them to the big cities. .....so I hope nobody needs one from something else.

I think that is going to be the biggest issue. One area or city is going to be hit hard and run out of things. What happens at that individual hospital?

Does Jackson Mississippi have to send stuff to Seattle because it hit there first?

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Obviously the ventilators will not be spread out to match the virus. Are we going to take ventilators from hospitals that aren't using them and ship them to another?

If so I think that hurts places like Mississippi. All our little hospital that might have them will have to send them to the big cities. .....so I hope nobody needs one from something else.

I think that is going to be the biggest issue. One area or city is going to be hit hard and run out of things. What happens at that individual hospital?

Does Jackson Mississippi have to send stuff to Seattle because it hit there first?

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Ventilators are not uncommon even in small hospitals in Mississippi. Many of those small hospitals in Mississippi are going to either ship their patients to UMC, Region One in Memphis, or University Medical Center in NOLA, and maybe UAB. Transporting patients on vents are not uncommon. The army has transported soldiers on vents who were wounded in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and etc. and flown them to Germany on vents quite often. So driving from Kosciousko to Jackson on a vent isn't crazy out of the question.

The thing about UMC is for as long as UMC has existed they have been taking patients all across the state so this won't really be any different in that regard since that is essentially their patient base anyway.

Another thing I don't see a lot of is people taking into account people getting well and getting off of a ventilator or sadly passing away which will open up a ventilator for another patient who needs it as well. Anyway, my point is people that go on vents aren't going to stay on vents the entire duration of the epidemic.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

I need a cite for that because that is not what the health officials are saying...

https://projects.propublica.org/grap...ovid-hospitals
The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide....It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 12,000 ventilators in the national stockpile.

So as long as we have less than 75,000 people needing ventilators, everything will be fine.

8% of Chinese cases needed a ventilator.

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5% and the Vast, Vast majority of infected were in Wuhan. Page 10 and 32 if you are a reader.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf

In the US, the COPD patients already have a respirator or other oxygen therapy device. WV, KY, and AL are the worst states for COPD.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Specifics?

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Go read your post here and on SPS the last few days for your "specifics". You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself

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Originally Posted by dawgs

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?

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Originally Posted by Joebob

Last I saw, this meant that if you got tested (i.e. if you were sick enough to go to the doctor), you had a 20% chance of needing to be hospitalized and put on a ventilator. That figure will probably change as more people are tested and more data comes in. How it relates to the number of people overall that contract the virus isn?t clear yet.

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Ahhhh perfect example of misinformation and people not understanding what the hell is being said and then relaying it along. Hypothetical or not. This is no knock on you JoeBob. What you've said makes more sense.


But that's not what was originally insinuated, stemming my comment you quoted (original comment shown above). So now this topic has molded into a different conversation because people interpret things differently and then take it to the internet.

20% chance of needing to be hospitalized if you have the virus and 20% of the people infected needing to be hospitalized is not even remotely the same thing.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

5% and the Vast, Vast majority of infected were in Wuhan. Page 10 and 32 if you are a reader.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf

In the US, the COPD patients already have a respirator or other oxygen therapy device. WV, KY, and AL are the worst states for COPD.

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And if we start Martial Law, and sending teams tracing down contacts to each case like China did in Wuhan, Then you have a point...

Some excerpts from the WHO Report...

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As COVID-19 is a newly identified pathogen, there is no known pre-existing immunity in
humans. Based on the epidemiologic characteristics observed so far in China, everyone is
assumed to be susceptible, although there may be risk factors increasing susceptibility to
infection. This requires further study, as well as to know whether there is neutralising
immunity after infection

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In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history

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Achieving China?s exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is the reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities.

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Yep seems like the US can do this step****

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Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to
implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.
These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize
transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely
proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and
immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an
exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these
measures.

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Now count those over 60 that don't have COPD? Because that who will need one of the 74,000 Ventilators in the USA.

There are 6 ventilators at OCH... working the math backwards, 25% of severe or critical cases need vents, (24 severe or critical cases) only 20% of cases are severe or critical (120 total cases), to get OCH to capacity, if none of the vents are being used....

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Originally Posted by MrKotter

Go read your post here and on SPS the last few days for your "specifics". You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself

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nope. The people dismissing this are embarrassing. And truth be told I have zero respect for them. The writing has been on the wall. If you were still calling this an overreaction and blaming it on the media last Friday then you are legitimately stupid, dangerous, and gullible fool. There is zero excuse not to know what's going on. And that means you willfully ignored this. Which is embarrassing. And I dont really care what their opinion of me is. They are not the kind of people I want to like me.

Ive tried to be nicer here, because I think this board is a more intelligent and reasonable bunch. That other board is full of blathering idiots.

ok since this is a message board, here is my 2 cents:

First, I have 36 years experience as a clinical laboratory director. 26 years at a large academic medical center/health system

While it seems the elderly and those with some conditions certainly are at higher risk, we will never know the true mortality because we will never have an accurate denominator. So anyone publishing mortality numbers is just an educated guess.

Regarding testing, I have my doubts about accuracy. While personally I have no direct knowledge of this specific test, I very seriously doubt (1) it is anywhere an easy assay to perform and (2) no way in hell can test kits come out this fast. The clinical laboratory setting nationwide is severely understaffed. Non trained folks CANNOT be expected to perform complex to highly complex clinical testing with accuracy. For 36 years, I had to deal with issues regarding simple stuff like POC (point of care blood glucose testing). Daily. So anyone other than very highly trained testing staff performing this, errors are going to be very high.

Lastly, my buds in the research side say a couple of things. First, they HOPE this will burn out as temps warm Historically coronaviruses do not handle heat and humidity. So unless this has mutated to something that can handle heat/humidity, that is our best bet for containment.

Also I'm hearing a vaccine is a total waste of time. They tried to develop corona vaccines 20 years ago but found they mutate so fast that it becomes a waste a time. Just like we don't have vaccines for the common cold.

I'll share anything if I hear from the research community or anything of value.

How quickly are test results coming back in Mississippi?

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Originally Posted by Lariverdog

ok since this is a message board, here is my 2 cents:

First, I have 36 years experience as a clinical laboratory director. 26 years at a large academic medical center/health system

While it seems the elderly and those with some conditions certainly are at higher risk, we will never know the true mortality because we will never have an accurate denominator. So anyone publishing mortality numbers is just an educated guess.

Regarding testing, I have my doubts about accuracy. While personally I have no direct knowledge of this specific test, I very seriously doubt (1) it is anywhere an easy assay to perform and (2) no way in hell can test kits come out this fast. The clinical laboratory setting nationwide is severely understaffed. Non trained folks CANNOT be expected to perform complex to highly complex clinical testing with accuracy. For 36 years, I had to deal with issues regarding simple stuff like POC (point of care blood glucose testing). Daily. So anyone other than very highly trained testing staff performing this, errors are going to be very high.

Lastly, my buds in the research side say a couple of things. First, they HOPE this will burn out as temps warm Historically coronaviruses do not handle heat and humidity. So unless this has mutated to something that can handle heat/humidity, that is our best bet for containment.

Also I'm hearing a vaccine is a total waste of time. They tried to develop corona vaccines 20 years ago but found they mutate so fast that it becomes a waste a time. Just like we don't have vaccines for the common cold.

I'll share anything if I hear from the research community or anything of value.

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Good stuff. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

And if we start Martial Law, and sending teams tracing down contacts to each case like China did in Wuhan, Then you have a point...

Some excerpts from the WHO Report...



Yep seems like the US can do this step****



Now count those over 60 that don't have COPD? Because that who will need one of the 74,000 Ventilators in the USA.

There are 6 ventilators at OCH... working the math backwards, 25% of severe or critical cases need vents, (24 severe or critical cases) only 20% of cases are severe or critical (120 total cases), to get OCH to capacity, if none of the vents are being used....

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Where did you get the info on the number of ventilators at OCH? I'm not saying it's not true. It's just a question.

Could you cite the bolded? Until this happens, you're only speaking hypothetically based on stats of a very very small and new sample.

It's possible yes, I'm not saying it's not. But you're acting as if we've lost the blueprint to how to make a new ventilator or that they are only made in one location and unable to move them.

I saw one hospital was able to use a 3D printer to print ventilator values and converted a single ventilator into one that could be used on multiple patients. So it might even be possible for some places to rig up the ones they have for more people.