Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been betterQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been betterQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
No HC worth a damn in gonna let an OC or DC hire the staff for their side of the ball. He may get their input, but he should never let them hire half the staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I agree Gun. Nobody but a select few know how the interviews played out, who was actually offered, or what was discussed in any interviews.................... However the media said this and whatever the media says is always 100% factual.***
Maybe, but that doesn't mean who he ends up hiring won't be just as good.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's not the thought process in interviewing or hiring people.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Exactly. We don't know if anyone has been officially offered the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
That I agree with, but I certainly think the risk goes up with every empty swingQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.
4th... 5th was a mistake... hoops' number, and hoops is reliable imoQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
But I think we can all admit that we are surprised some of these top candidates are not interested in the job. We are offering probably at least a 200k raise to most people, in the best conference in the nation at a school that has a reputation of having good defenses and has also proven to be a very good stepping stone job.
It?s not going to be attractive to everyone but just a bit odd that we seem to be having this much trouble.
Does Leach have a history of being difficult to work for as a DC or something?
I think the stats given in other threads show that his offense doesn?t force the defense to play an huge increase in number of plays
Bateman didn’t turn us down so much as he declined to interview because he is happy at UNC and didn’t want to move again. He recommended Newberry as someone to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
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Originally Posted by msstate7
The media is calling all these swings. However if the media had been right earlier in the coaching search process, then we would never have had CML stepping off that plane and being welcomed as our new HC.
ok. I kinda counted that as a no since it was a choice of Leach's I believe. I'm thinking we're on our 3rd or 4th option unless I missed someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer
Shoop was experienced at DC. Manny was too but not at P5 Level. Not sure on Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Should have just kept Shoops.
Leach doesn't retain coaches. It's in his book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
From my fan life- Joe Lee Dunn, Ron Cooper was a former head coach and well thought of before he flamed out with us, Ellis Johnson, Carl Tornush, Manny Diaz the second time around, Todd Grantham, and Bob Shoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
He might need to revise that chapter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yep. Silly to have a hard rule like that. What if Venables had been our dc.....would he have been automatically let go? Unrealistic example....but you get my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Clayton White?...geez is he the what 3rd, 4th option?
Well this is embarrassing. Call the DC from western Appalachian technical college I guess
Buutttttt Clayon White is VERY interested in the job....hell I would be VERY interested too but that don't mean I am a good option...Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg
He has retained people at times. Even now Hughes is staying and most of the off field staff tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
I'd definitively go after Long and Arnett before I went to White.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Dude shut the hell up. You of all people have no room to tell anyone to relax. You've changed your approach from overreacting to everything to sticking your head in the sand. Let's see how it plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I mentioned White's name a day or 2 ago. We've been in conversations with him since Sunday. 2 coaches have said no Walters & Newberry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
You're a turdQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Much better than that Middle TN St DC Manny Diaz or that Florida International DC Geoff Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg
Long, Arnett, White in that order for me, if those are 3 legitimate choices. Just not sure of the locations Long would consider and if Arnett would really turn about face from accepting Syracuse. White is better than y?all are giving him credit for. Has had some excellent secondaries even as just a DB coach. If 2018 hadn?t been such a down turn for WKU leading to the coach being fired, not sure he wouldn?t already have been hired to a P5 program. But that did tarnish his resume. Helton retained him last year and they were really solid this season and they started really strong in 2017 before a ton of injuries hampered the last half of the year.
Go back and read the thread from when Willie Gay announced he was going pro. Or the one where you bashed one of our baseball player's families. I'd take a long hard look at those before you call anyone else a turdQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What's the knock on UAB's DC? They're near the top in nearly every statistical category. Is that more of Clark's doing or what?
Clayton White headshot
CLAYTON
WHITE
TITLE Assistant Coach -- Defensive Coordinator/Cornerbacks
EMAIL clayton.white@wku.edu
A 2017 Frank Broyles Award nominee for the nation's top assistant coach and a 17-year coaching veteran, Clayton White enters his third season as defensive coordinator and cornerbacks coach on The Hill in 2019, a post he assumed prior to the 2017 season.
During White?s first campaign as the defensive playcaller, the Hilltoppers enjoyed a historic stretch, holding opponents to their fewest point totals through the season?s first seven games in 15 years and a record over that span in the FBS era. As injuries claimed starters along the defensive front and secondary, White?s coaching in the cornerbacks room developed DeAndre Farris from a backup into one of the nation?s top pass defenders.
The pass defense was also one of the nation's stingiest in allowing passing touchdowns as opposing teams found the end zone just 11 times through the air all season against the Hilltoppers, a mark which ranked No. 5 nationally and just three off the nation's top mark. It was the fewest touchdown passes allowed by a WKU team since the 2001 team also allowed just 11 touchdown passes and four fewer than the previous FBS-era low.
Farris? 15 passes defended, the fifth-most in a single season in program history and tied for the most in the FBS era, ranked No. 36 nationally and No. 2 among C-USA defensive backs. For his efforts, Farris was named All-Conference USA Honorable Mention along with the corner opposite him, Joe Brown.
Due in large part to the tenacity of the defensive backfield in White?s 4-2-5 scheme, the Hilltoppers finished ranked No. 40 nationally in pass defense ? an improvement of 79 spots from the previous season - and No. 4 in pass-happy C-USA, allowing just 206.8 yards per game through the air, the fewest by a WKU team since the 2013 squad. All four starters in the defensive secondary received postseason accolades as safeties Drell Greene (All-C-USA Honorable Mention) and Devon Key (All-Freshman team) picked up mentions.
In year two, the HIlltoppers were one of the nation's stingiest inside the redzone. WKU allowed just a 103.41 passer rating with their backs against the wall, good for the sixth-best mark nationally and second-best in Conference USA. Even better, the Hilltoppers allowed opposing quarterbacks to complete passes at just a 32.7 percent clip, the best mark in the nation. The Hilltoppers also sent their seniors out on a high-note with a five-interception performance against UTEP on Senior Night, the most interceptions by the Hilltoppers in a single game in the FBS era.
Following the season, three WKU defensive backs received All-Conference USA honorable mention accolades: Ta'Corian Darden, Devon Key, and Drell Greene. Four others from White's defense also earned the honor in Juwuan Jones, D'Angelo Malone, Ben Holt, and Masai Whyte.
At NC State, safety Josh Jones led the Wolfpack in tackles with 109 and interceptions with three. NC State's defense ranked No. 24 nationally, allowing just 352.8 yards per game, and No. 8 nationally in rush defense, limiting opponents to 108.5 yards per game on the ground. It was the second consecutive season the Wolfpack defense posted a Top 30 rating nationally.
In 2015, the Wolfpack defense ranked 29th in the FBS in total defense, 39th in rushing defense, 36th in passing yards allowed, 29th in first down defense, 42nd in interceptions, 34th in third down defense and 35th in TFL and sacks. NC State was also one of only two schools in the FBS to finish in the Top 20 in both Kickoff Return and Punt Return. NC State defensive back Dontae Johnson, a White disciple, was selected in the fourth round of the 2014 NFL Draft by the San Francisco 49ers.
Prior to his time in Raleigh, White spent two seasons at Connecticut (2011-12) coordinating the special teams and leading the running backs. While in Storrs, the Huskies tied for the national lead with three punt returns for touchdowns and led the Big East with a 12.5 punt return average, good for No. 18 nationally. Running back Lyle McCombs was named an FWAA Freshman All-American under White's direction, becoming just the second Husky to rush for more than 1,000 yards in his freshman campaign.
White spent one season in Bowling Green on Willie Taggart's first staff in 2010 and helped to build the WKU program during the FCS-to-FBS transition. He assisted in signing future WKU stars including Cam Thomas, Xavius Boyd, Bar'ee Boyd and Tyree Robinson in the signing class of 2010.
A three-year run at Stanford preceded his first stint on The Hill where he coached the Cardinal defensive backs, including future NFL Pro Bowler Richard Sherman, and future NFL players Michael Thomas, Johnson Bademosi and Delano Howell. The Cardinal rose to as high as No. 14 in the polls in 2009 and reached a bowl game for the first time since 2001 that year.
White also had stints at Western Michigan (2006) and Western Carolina (2004-05) following a three-year NFL career with the New York Giants (2001-02) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2003). A three-year letterman at linebacker at NC State (1998-00), White ended his career with his name across the Wolfpack record book in several categories including career tackles for loss (33), single-season tackles for loss (16) and tackles in a single game (23).
A 2001 graduate with a degree in sport management from NC State, White and his wife Kelly have two children, Chase and Macy.
THE WHITE FILE
PERSONAL
Born: Dec. 2, 1977
Hometown: Dunn, N.C. (Triton HS)
College: NC State, `01
Wife: Kelly
Children: Chase and Macy
PLAYING CAREER (Linebacker)
College: NC State (1998-00)
Pro: New York Giants (2001-02), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2003)
COACHING CAREER
2003: Sanderson (N.C.) HS (Defensive Backs)
2004-05: Western Carolina (Defensive Backs/Special Teams)
2006: Western Michigan (Defensive Backs/Special Teams)
2007-09: Stanford (Defensive Backs)
2010: WKU (Co-Special Teams Coordinator/Defensive Backs)
2011-12: Connecticut (Special Teams Coordinator/Running Backs)
2013-16:NC State (Co-Special Teams Coordinator/Safeties)
2017-Pres: WKU (Defensive Coordinator/Corners)
BOWL EXPERIENCE
1998: MicronPC (NC State, Player)
2000: MicronPC (NC State, Player)
2006: International (Western Michigan, Coach)
2009: Sun (Stanford, Coach)
2014: St. Petersburg (NC State, Coach)
2015: Belk (NC State, Coach)
2016: Independence (NC State, Coach)
2017: Cure (WKU, Coach)
Well WKU is in the same conference as Middle Tennessee State and La Tech both of which we got Manny from at different times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
you don't know if we are on the 1st or the 20th.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's clear some people on here have never held positions where they hire people and conduct interviews.
so 3rd? ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
We're at least on option #3. We know 2 people have told us no.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
I think that's part of it. That's my biggest question on Arnett. Rocky Long did the game planning & play calling at SDSU. I just would want to know how much if any was Arnett involved in those areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
You've never conducted interviews... it's the best thing ever to be told no a few times. Your 3-4th choice is always the best oneQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
2 no's into the process but several others we couldn't get off the starting blocks with. We are definitely down the list at this point. BUT, as long as we hire a good coach, it doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew