I don't post a lot, but I do enjoy reading about the braves and MLB as a whole. I am excited about the rebuild, but I'm still not sold on Fredi as manager.
Printable View
I don't post a lot, but I do enjoy reading about the braves and MLB as a whole. I am excited about the rebuild, but I'm still not sold on Fredi as manager.
delusional thinking abounds in this thread. everyone who is not signed for 2017 is available if some other team actually wants them.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
I keep thinking about trading veterans, but the best trade piece we have could be Peterson or peraza. I just don't see where we'll be able to play both. Ruiz or the other Peterson are 3b most likely. Peraza is almost ready if he isn't already.
Not sure if there's any actual talk, but I've read brave fans saying peraza for Aaron judge of Yankees. I do know the Yankees scouted peraza a few weeks back
Delusional? Because I think a solid veteran is more valuable as a part of the club, in production AND in the clubhouse,than the prospects he would fetch in return? And notice that I said I wouldnt be looking to trade him but with a top notch offer I'd make the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
And for that matter go back and read every post I've ever made...and then try to come back with that "delusional" horse shit.
Simmons...
.292 avg .359 obp 9 bb 5 k's 15 rbi's
He's cut down on his swing and the results are awesome. If he develops into a .300 hitter, will he be one of the best players in baseball? His defense is already elite. He will be a 15-20 hr guy imo. That contract extension is looking very good by wren
Yes, delusional. The club has made clear they are not playing for this year. A decent prospect or less will hell yes be taken for a vet on a 1 year deal that is overachieving a good bit, as much as I love KJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
He's already the best defender in the game. After I frist saw him come up I thought he had the potential to be a solid 2 hole hitter after a few years of grooming and swing adjustments. Looks like that's exactly what has happened. If he brings his average up to .300 and becomes a 20 HR 90 RBI guy, he would be to me one of the 20 best non pitchers in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Simmons is already the best shortstop and leads in defensive runs saved in all of MLB. He's a star to those paying attention. I think Brandon Crawford for the Giants is the 2nd best SS defensively behind Simmons. Simmons range is insane as is his arm. I personally think Crawford and Panik are the best double play duo in the NL though.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Love Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
You sure they're better than Desmond uggla? Haha
Well now I understand the problem...you lack reading comprehension skills. I said that I would trade him for a top notch offer, I just don't think one comes in. And no where have I stated we need to keep him because he will help us contend this year. In fact I have maintained all season that a .500 record is the high end for this team. But a solid veteran is a huge positive when trying to rebuild.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
And if you doubt the importance of veteran leadership go back and look at the braves of '89 and '90 leading into that '91 season...which is what the braves front office has repeatedly said they are trying to duplicate and get back to. Lonnie smith and Charlie leibrandt come to mind immediately as veteran guys brought in during the rebuild/build-up to help lead the younger players.
You don't trade anybody just to clear room until you actually need to clear room. So most of it will work out. Peterson has been moved to LF, and it's unlikely Peterson, Peraza, and Ruiz all develop into definite major league regulars.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I would not trade Peraza, though, and certainly not for Judge. I still see Peterson as more of a super utility guy than an everyday star. I would plan on Peraza being my everyday 2B and Peterson playing 3B until someone else is ready, then move him into that Prado role where he plays a lot all over the diamond.
Yes. If he is a league average hitter, he is the best SS in baseball. If he hits like he is right now, he's as valuable as anybody in baseball who isn't Mike Trout.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Joc pederson's last 7 hits are hr's. That kid's gonna be awesome
M
@DOBrienAJC
For all the doom-and-gloom, fact is #Braves (14-14) have better record than 16 teams inc RedSox, Nats, O's, Pirates, BJays, Angels, A's, M's
#Braves 3rd in NL in runs (125); 4th in OPS (.722), OBP (.326) & walks (93); 5th in HR (24) & slugging% (.396). & have NL-low 175 K's.
The problem is not on my end. You said you would only trade him for a "top notch offer". I take that to mean an A or B prospect. It is delusional to not realize the club would trade him for a C prospect. Especially after Peraza is called up, cause CJ amd Callaspo are signed long terms on deals no one wants, EYJ is the backup CF, so that basically leaves KJ as the odd man out. As far as veteran presents, the team has other vets.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
I dont think anyone would give a C prospect for him now, but someone probably would if he kept it up for another month. And the club would jump right on that offer.
Also, how is someone that is "too important to the team" on a one year deal not about playing for this year?
He's upto 9 HR on the year which is tied for 2nd in NL. Little worried he's getting homer happy though. His teammate Alex Guerrero hit another one today giving him 6 in only 38 abs. Dodgers also have Cory Seager in the minors that's absolutely killing it. Dodgers are going to be good to great for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I do agree with this portion of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
KJ was signed to provide positive veteran clubhouse leadership. He was only signed for a year because the team didn't know what they were gonna get production wise. When he got hot towards the end of the spring he made the team. So don't act like production isn't important and the team isn't trying to win on a nightly basis...they are. But, like you have said, they have an eye on '17.
I would imagine any one of the veterans signed this year are open for a trade if the rite pieces came back in return. Rebuilding doesn't mean trading old guys for young guys just for the same of trading them to get younger. Trading any one productive for a AAAA player is not what this team is about.
Also keep in mind that KJ lives in Atlanta and wants to play there so the braves have a little leeway with the one year deal. If he produces they could easily re sign him for next year if that's the direction they want to go.
This is not about KJ with me, it's about what the braves are trying to accomplish and how they're going about it.
Pederson is going to be very good. The question of just how good will come down to whether or not he can get the Ks under control.
Some, like Stanton, can still be very productive while striking out a ton. Others can't, and they generally start out well and then gradually get worse.
It's the same reservation I have with guys like Kris Bryant and Javier Baez for Chicago.
i agree about a AAAA player. i expect them to trade KJ and a couple others for C prospect bullpen arms. stockpile some bullpen arms for '17. any position player they would get probably would be a AAAA player, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Pederson's BB rates have been impressive though. Up there with Harper and Santana and Holliday (and Bryant). Crazy for 2 rookies to have that kinda eye. Gives hope that in time the K rates will go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Fact is it's may 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yep. We'll be way ahead of you guys by August hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
True. Adam Dunn had great walk rates, too, though and still the K's kept his ceiling down.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Now, Dunn is not bad at all if he puts up those numbers...just saying that it is a concern.
Read this post on a Braves' message board...
If you remove the pitchers the team only has 151 strike outs
also if you remove the two guys not really playing much (Goss and CB -- they have the fewest AB's) then the team looks like this... Remove pathetic EY and the team looks like the second set of numbers..
AVG ---- .260 --- .269
OBP ----.334 ---- .344
SLG ---- .412 ----- .424
OPS ---- .746 ---- .768
this is excluding last nights game. pretty much our regular starters are raking right now. Those numbers include Gomes in there too, who really isn't a starter. If CB could pick up his game a bit this team could score some runs.
**edit** also, CB, EY and Goss have 24 ks to only 9 BB. That is 2 and a half Ks to every walk. Where the rest of the starters (excluding those three) have 127 Ks to 81 walks.. or 1.5 Ks to every walk.. that is a really big difference and the reason you don't see them in there much anymore. Like I said above. CB will play because of his defense and Julio pitching to him... so he needs to snap out of his <funk..
Yeah, but Peterson also has speed to beat out a lot more groundballs than Dunn to help his avg put a little bit. He's hasn't stolen much yet, but he's got 30-30 type potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
He does. I just don't really like his swing that much. It looks sweet when he makes good contact, but he swings out of his shoes every time. I could be way wrong, but I just think pitchers are going to find holes in that swing and exploit them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
I think that's a lot of young players though. Either they adjust to the pitchers or they don't, but it's often hard to predict which guys will or won't because we aren't seeing how they approach their training and their video studies and their workouts in adjusting their swing to the pitchers' adjustments.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
No adjustments needed...hot start means great career!Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Signed,
Jason Heyward & Jeff francouer
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Because that's exactly what I said/implied.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Could we have a new catcher before the year is out?
O'dowd (AA)...
.432 avg .533 obp 1.310 ops
Ok, it's a small sample (37 ab's), but he's a switch hitter and has to be better offensively than bethancourt. Anyone seen this kid? How's his defense?
May-8 1:13 PM
@MBravesRadio
Tyrell Jenkins fired six shutout innings last night. 6 H, 5 K, 2 BB, 97 pitches, 58 strikes #Braves @mbraves
Ozhaino albies -- SS (A)
.303 avg .356 obp 11 steals
The young (18) SS seems to be hitting well
It's A ball. And you didn't even clarify whether or not it's high A. No one gives a shit until AA. Wake us up when he gets there. You really need to chill and let things play out the next couple of seasons. We're going to suck, no need in checking on prospects all the way down to Single A every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Rome. This kid is likely to skyrocket in prospect rankings very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Feel free not to read. I'm reading about who we might sign with our international spots too. What do you suggest I do with my free time now that miss state baseball is dead and the Braves aren't a contender?
Find a hobby. Kick your dog. Be a general baseball fan. But tracking prospects before AA is a little excessive.
Hell, come join some of us watching futbol. Pick an EPL team to follow. Watch the UEFA semis and finals. The Sounders are a fun MLS team to watch.
I don't have time. I've gotta check out Braves' rookie ball stats hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I usually don't keep up with anyone below AA ball, but I am interested in albies, Davidson (1st round pick), and Sanchez (17 year old we traded kubitza for)
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
17 the flounders. PTFC!Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
wasn't considered a prospect before the season. he'll have to keep it up for awhile to change that view.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7