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If he shows in the next two games that he can do it, then absolutely. He is about to be on a two game tryout. If he is as good as he, and his father, thinks he is then he should have no problem going 2-0 and leading us to 7 wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
With all due respect, that is a silly expectation. The QB doesn't win games alone and this is not the best supporting cast yet. Lebby has work to do in the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I hope we never sign a qb that isn't confidentQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
KT is special. He has freak show talent. We needed three QB's regardless so I don't really think it was a miss technically. He's doing what we asked him to do essentially and he got beat out by Superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Seems like Dad may have grated on some folks nerves.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
FWIW, Taylor put up an 85.5 qbr today. That puts his season qbr at 93.4. He doesn't qualify, but that would rank him #1 nationally. He's certainly raw, but the playmaking ability is off the charts. If we don't cater to him some this offseason, someone will
Now that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I absolutely agree. Now go show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by R2Dawg
One of those TD's was a drive led by Shapen.
As I said above, I would make him QB1 after the season and go get a backup. I believe KT can be the best we've ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He has. Not sure he can keep it up, but his qbr is off the charts. When given opportunities the last 2 weeks, the offense has respondedQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He takes some of the load off the other guys. No disrespect to Shapen, the O line is sh!t, but he and that OLine are a bad mix. Is anyone saying we should fire Loadholt or is this not really his fault? I don’t know anything. Legitimate question.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There's no college in the country that has a sure starter in the wing bringing in competition to compete to take their job.. That's not how the portal works. It's also not a recipe for success. No playoff team has done this. And before you throw out Ole Miss that didn't happen. Chambliss took advantage of an opportunity via injury and hasn't looked back.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This is what people do not want to admit, or they do not understand. Honestly understand is the more likely scenario because we have some LOW IQ fans. Like to the point of where I question whether they played past pee wee. Our O Line and Shapen are just a bad mix. That does not make Shapen a bad QB. Also it is 1000% NOT the fault of Phil Loadholt. He got here in January. Unfortunately it again goes back to Mike Leach. He recruited a different type of OL. When we went away from that, those lineman became useless. Add in to that some god awful evals from that staff and the next and we are in the situation we are in having to depend on JUCO guys, guys that need development, and guys playing out of position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
What does his father have to do with anything? It's clear you don't like KT but asinine to think we could just go out and find another talent like him. Didn't you say the FSU transfer was the backup? Wrongggggg...KT is the now and the future. I agree with his father who only cares for his son like he's supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
But had Ole Miss said, “Nah we got Simmons. We are good.” They are AT BEST 6-3 right now. You go make your team better. You do not just stock say Kamario is the answer and move on. Do I think he is? Yes. Do I know it? Not at all. He could be the next Cam Newton or he could be the next Jeremy Johnson. He could be the next Hendon Hooker or he could be the next Joe Milton.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
His dad tweets incessantly that his son is Cam Newton reincarnated and then when people call him out on it he claims he is talking about his other son. He also keeps threatening transfer. Sounds like a couple of other helicopter QB parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Ole Miss brought him in for straight depth. Kiffin even stated he didn't know he was this good. If we're bringing in depth that's understandable and that's where it ends. There's no legitimate team doing what you're suggesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That has NOTHING to do with KT. His dad is a grown man speaking for himself. If KT hasn't said it don't worry about it. I've read his mother's Facebook post stating KT is where he wants to be. So who do you believe? Until the player says he's upset I don't worry about parents opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Why do you keep bringing up Ole Miss? They brought in a low cost transfer for depth. He wasn?t brought in with expectations to beat out Simmons. Thats the opposite of what you are suggesting we do. Maybe you are one of the low iq fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
His Dad is playing agent. Unfortunately that's the state of college sports now.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Absolutely. Which is why I honestly pay no attention to what he says. Heck if it was my son I would probably do the same stupid ish. I just hate how he tries to hide from it when people call him out on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
They paid him 500K. That is not low cost transfer. He was brought in because they did have questions about Simmons. Anyone around that program will tell you that. They saw something with Chambliss. They knew that best case they had a great backup and nuclear option they had someone who could effectively run their offense if Simmons was not what they needed him to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
It really does not matter what any of us think. I think we all want Mississippi State to win, at least on this board. Do I hope Kamario is incredible? Absolutely. Do I have questions? Absolutely. His accuracy is iffy and he makes some bad reads. But do I think he can work past that? Of course. He is a damn freshman. He was in the Mississippi 3A playoffs at this time last year. Lebby is a good enough coach to mask some of those concerns, and he did at times today. He gave him a lot of one read stuff.
I think he starts next weekend and I hope he does well and we win. Do I think it will happen? No. I think he will have moments that make us say he is incredible and moments that make us say WTF are you doing. And that is ok. He is a Freshman.
His dad has no impact on anything that happens with the kid. Mama is in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Maybe so. But don't think I'd push all my chips to the center on that notion just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
His dad is just annoying more than anything. He knows Kamario will be just another player at some other school. He will be a hero here. Hell people still talk about his uncle, Omar, and he never even had a winning season at State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I would. His dad is annoying but that is all it really is. Noise. He is not actually going to do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Omarr has more influenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Yep. If his dad had his way, he would have just gone to the highest bidder out of HS.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
You do realize that many players at State can say they didn’t have a winning season. If you think Omarr or KT would not be a big deal at other schools then you don’t know much about talent or football. It’s not Omarrs fault he had Croom for a Coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that although his record was not good Omar is still revered at State because he was a great athlete. DJ Shockley was a great athlete at UGA but no one really reveres him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Omar was GREAT.....
Just in the wrong offense for his skill set. Croom wanted him to be a WRQuote:
Originally Posted by 1eyedog
Yep He is Freshman. But our 5th year Sr makes lots of stupid plays and decisions.but you never mention that. KT had 4 series and scored on two of them. Blake can’t run, he holds the ball too long, numerous times he has overthrown wide open WRs . The worst pass of the season wasn’t KT it was Shapen in the Fla game. That one play should have benched him for the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
So what about his throw to Thompson against Arizona State? Or his throw to Evans against Arkansas? QBs make mistakes. It happens. Kamario about knocked someone’s drink out of their hand in the Gridiron Club trying to throw to Evans yesterday. It does not mean I want to bench him and put in Kromenhoek. Does it suck that Shapen makes bad decisions as a 5th year senior? You bet your ass it does. But he has also made GW throws for us. You have to take the good with the bad. Kamario will have his time. It may be Saturday and it may be next year. It will come if he continues to progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I understand what you're saying. However I do believe because of the matchup characteristics with Missouri, Blake gives us the best shot to win THAT game. If he is healthy and can throw effectively. We need the passing game against Missouri and don't see a high probability KT is going to make that kind of step change with his accuracy that quickly. And even if that is the play, can the OL give either one of them enough time. And then possibly more injuries on top of that. We are not in a very enviable position all around.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Yep. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That is because Croom had no WRs. Omarr had to switch to receiver because he was the only one that could run a route.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Shapen has overthrown several wide ass open players for TDs. When he threw that stupid interception in The Fla game 0 was running wide open down the sideline . Shapen holds the ball takes uncalled for sacks all the time. There is absolutely nothing Shapen does that Kamario can’t do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve