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100% - we have to invest in the sports that bring national recognition and TV ratings. Baseball doesn't move that needle.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
edited: I don't think we are terrible in baseball, but I don't really follow it so I'll let others make that judgement.
Stupid talk. Just stupid. We literally lose money on baseball. $3MM to be exact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
We could?ve gone up more but elected not to. We have Hub locked down, the transfer big we spent about $1MM or above on. At some point you have to know when to stop and be wise. You could get two players that equal Murph?s production for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
A lot of our fans just don't get it. They are so blinded by us once having a good baseball team and do not understand how realignment works. Ironically, we have been better in basketball the last 4 years than baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
This is simply untrue as I pointed out earlier. Last season's baseball team topped anything basketball has done. We won a Natty in baseball 4 years ago. Dont be surprised when this season's baseball team finishes higher than basketball did as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
If we’re going to flush money down the drain and buy baseball players, just send it to my address instead. You’ll get about the same return. Maybe more because I’ll donate some to NIL and buy some season tickets for the fam. Start an elite dawgs tailgate.
Ha ha, sign me up so I get some of that money too. I'll be the new bagman for football and basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
I’m about done with this trash. Jans lost another portal target. Florida State big man goes to Arkansas and now St.Bonnies guard goes to Kansas. I am sure we can get the other Wichita State guard and we can become Wichita State.
What is "Return" in regards to NIL? Everyone keeps using the term, but I feel like they are using different definitions. Here are the different definitions that I "think" are being used:
1. Monetary Return - My Opinion: This is strictly in regards to the school, no one who contributes to NIL gets a monetary return. It is strictly a subsidy. Please correct me if I'm wrong and tell me what percentage they are getting.
2. Results - My Opinion: For the amount of money that is being spent on football and basketball, the "results" suck! Even though baseball loses money, the "return" has been better all though not where it should be.
3. Prestige/Ego: My Opinion: In other words, spending gobs of money guarantees continued inclusion in the best conference, which increases the university's prestige and boosts the fans ego.
Did I miss any?
I really don't know if it's Jans losing them or us losing them. If offers are exactly the same, it's on Jans, but I doubt they are. This new system sorta takes the Saleman part out of the job for a coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
We lost a regional last year in baseball just like we lost in the NCAA tournament in the first round in hoops. We went to the NCAA tournament in hoops the last 3 years and only made a regional 1. I was referring to the 4 seasons (including this one) after the Natty. We do not get any money for baseball. It does not matter if we win a natty over and over it will not place us in a good position for realignment. If this were the case, Oregon State would be in the big 12. We need to improve in football and basketball so that we can draw more TV's and generate revenue. Those are the two sports needing our focus if we want to stay in a top conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We made the Round of 32 in baseball. Supers are the Sweet 16 of Baseball. We have yet to do that in basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
We finished tied for 9th in SEC basketball. We are only 2 games out of 9th in baseball with half the schedule to go. As I said- dont be surprised when we match or better that in baseball this year
What does Jans have to offer these top players? His recruiting pitch still matters. Every team is paying players now so he has to evolve in other areas. Like I stated before he isn't developing players for the next level and I'm calling it now if Keyshawn Murphy gets anywhere close to the playing time he got at State under Pearl, we may see him in the NBA after next season, Pearl is a top 10 Coach in the nation so there is a reason he wanted Murphy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
What is Jans' pitch to these players? 'You can come here, be in a system, play hard nosed defense and get cussed out on National t.v. every game' ..... I'm taking my homer hat off for a second and looking at our team and Coach from a realistic standpoint and I'm not sure Jans has that it factor to reel in top players. Yes he wins some games but its a defensive minded system that I question how far it can take us.
Well....Jans has been here 3 years and has taken us to the Dance 3 times. Seems about right for complaining to start....always some who think we can and should do better. Unbelievable the expectations of some.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Everything I stated has context to it. I'm only stating my opinion, if you are ok with just making the Dance 3 times or getting bounced out of the tournament in round one every year I'm happy as hell for you! But I'm not and I'm only stating what I see! When I see good, I post about it... when I see things that are concerning I post about it also. I don't understand responses like this, are we all supposed to get on here and agree with every take the others post? Or can we talk about what we observe, like or dont like and concerns about our programs??Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
Only 15-20 percent of schools care about college baseball so bragging about making the tournament as a baseball blue blood school is pretty lame. More recognition comes from making the basketball tournament, where 90 percent of the schools care, than making the CWS and I dont care how you spin it or what everyone?s emotional attachment to baseball is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I understand alot of State fans really love and enjoy baseball, but this is a very true statement. It's unfortunate but baseball just doesn't garner the National attention that Basketball or Football does.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
More than that baseball doesn't pay the bills or keep you in line to get paid with the big boys every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
I and 24.4 million other people can't wait to fill out our NCAA College Baseball Bracket this year. Yeah, it ain't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yeah that is just the facts of the world we live in with college sports. Basketball is my favorite sport, but I understand that our primary focus needs to be on football because that is what pays the bills and gets most of the TV viewership. Basketball is definitely important though and now Jans needs to take the next step to get us past the first round in the next year or two. Our baseball fans like to put blinders on though and think all is well, but in reality it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
People act
Like the choice is EITHER basketball OR baseball?You can not spend on both.
Ia that true.
Cant we spend more on basketball but still be a big NIL spender in baseball?
Exactly. We have certain people that fund basketball and have since the Richard Williams days. Any funding of baseball has almost nothing to do with basketball. If you're donating big money- you can earmark where you want it to go. Donating $100/month? Then noQuote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Short answer, no. Now if we have some baseball boosters that step up their giving, we could do it. The problem is that we're having to use general NIL funds for baseball. We're having to tap our usual suspects for all the sports. We need these people that care only about baseball to be the one's carrying the heavy load when it comes to baseball NIL. That or we need someone like Todd Graves, Tillman Fertitta, etc. that has a damn near unlimited cash flow and can stroke a 5 million dollar check and not miss a beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
No sport pays the bills anymore. We bring in more money in baseball than we ever have- a million per in ticket sales alone. That doesnt even get to parking and concessions revenue. Coaching salaries and such ballooning have caused that problem. I doubt football pays for itself now because its what- 10 million in coaching salaries???
What pays the bills is SEC money and advertising. So we can stop with the "baseball doesnt pay the bills". Neither do any of the other sports.
This is correct. Baseball guys have to do what the furniture dynasty and crew does with basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It's 840 for 2025Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
What bill does basketball pay? They can't pay for themselves. Ran a $2 MIL deficit last year. I mean if that's your argument, remove the service for the debt for stadium from baseball numbers and baseball pays for itself. Heck most years they paid for themselves at a min if not a surplus before the new stadium. Now I will say that baseball lost ticket sales last year, so we need to be careful with the program and who leads it or it may get worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
plus women's basketball hemorrhages money
Yes it does, but Womens basketball has grown and will continue to grow and I hope we can keep up in that sport as well. I'll be the 1st to admit I rarely watched womens basketball until our two National title runs.. but I've since become a fan. 10 to 15 years ago the casual sports fan could barely name a Woman's basketball player... now their are several with household names. Alot of people still don't support it but I've grown to enjoy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
MSU football went 2-10 last season. First Question: How much did NIL subsidize the program and how much revenue did it generate for the university?
Second Question? How much subsidy would it take to get to 10 wins and how much revenue would it generate?
I'm trying to understand the bell curve. For example if the program was subsidized to the tune of $100 million, would it generate $100 million+ in revenue?
The way it's structured now though, the ones who subsidized wouldn't reap any of the revenue, right? Unless you could satisfaction on Saturdays instead of shameQuote:
Originally Posted by GeoDawg
I'm strictly talking revenue to the shool, but I get your point. I just want to know the break even point (so to speak - minimum subsidy to maximum revenue).
Welp we lost out on Tayton Conerway, he committed to Indiana. I figured we had a good shot at him, Jans is gonna have to step up before all the talent gets thin
I am calling it now. Jans will get Baker -Mazara out of the portal. He is a pos but the way the portal is going, State will get a guy that I do not want.
That would without a doubt be the funniest thing Jans could do. Memphis seems to be the early favorite. Have also heard OM mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
We probably could get him at a bit of a discount since he should be drawing social security by the time the season rolls around***
He would be a great get. I hate the dude, but he's goodQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
He's a POS, but he'd be OUR POS. I'd instantly love him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not an insider like some on here are or claim to be but would we even be on his radar? We could use a guy like him even though is a loose cannon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
I have no clue. I think any SEC team that is interested and willing to pay his price would be on his radar.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Sounds like our next two commits are ready to pop. Achor Achor, was at K-State last year and never really clicked but was great at Samford the year before, and Amier Ali, got some great late season run and showed a lot on a terrible Arizona St team. Ceiling on Ali is sky high and if we can get Samford Achor back then we'll be rolling. We really wanted Achor last year and Frank got him to commit to K-State. Source on that is Trilly Donovan, incredible CBB source.
Edit: And just like that, Ali has committed.
StarkVegas I just saw Amier Ali committed. Was he a primary target for Jans? He has good size for a Guard at 6'8" out of Arizona State but his numbers aren't great. 5.5 ppg 3.1 rpg on 37.2%