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11-03-2023, 12:42 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Complaining about Leach's recruiting when our current class is in the 40's and worse than any of Leach's is ironic.

Well, aGAIN- our quality of recruit is 26th
11-03-2023, 12:43 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

That's not what I was saying. He was crowing all off-season about how great Arnett was and how he was going to win a ton of games this year. Now he's crowing about how great winning 6 games is because Leach sucks.

I don't want to hear from a damn thing from an idiot running around here crowing about how bad Leach was, that only thinks Arnett is good because he get's to be butt buddies with Arnett.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CoachT14 again.
11-03-2023, 12:46 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I think both things can be true. Leach's recruiting was below average and our current recruiting is not great.

I do think we have a couple of really good playmakers committed, especially Stonka, but we are really lacking in the trenches. I am worried that we are going to be forced to go JUCO and Portal to get OL and DL for next year.

We have no choice. And if we didn't, those complaining would say why the hell didn't we when we knew we needed help? Can't win. Not with morons.
11-03-2023, 12:50 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

That's not what I was saying. He was crowing all off-season about how great Arnett was and how he was going to win a ton of games this year. Now he's crowing about how great winning 6 games is because Leach sucks.

I don't want to hear from a damn thing from an idiot running around here crowing about how bad Leach was, that only thinks Arnett is good because he get's to be butt buddies with Arnett.

"You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you."

I can't read into your mind what you meant, that very well may be true, but the above quote is exactly what you posted about.
11-03-2023, 12:57 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

"You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you."

I can't read into your mind what you meant, that very well may be true, but the above quote is exactly what you posted about.

what's even funnier is him making up more shit that I said Arnett would win as many as 10 this year
11-03-2023, 12:59 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

what's even funnier is him making up more shit that I said Arnett would win as many as 10 this year

He won't be here at the end of the year. bye bye Staff!
11-03-2023, 12:59 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

what's even funnier is him making up more shit that I said Arnett would win as many as 10 this year

You said 9?
11-03-2023, 01:00 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

He won't be here at the end of the year. bye bye Staff!

His buddy will likely be fired as well. He should be fired. I'm not sure he brings anything to the table that benefits Mississippi State.
11-03-2023, 01:14 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You said 9?

I'd have to check and make sure but coming into the season I knew it was going to be tough to beat LSU, Bama, and A&M. I also said our swing games being on the road was going to be tough but felt like 8 was doable.
11-03-2023, 04:06 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, aGAIN- our quality of recruit is 26th

A small class isn't a good thing.
11-03-2023, 04:33 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

A small class isn't a good thing.

What do you want us to do?? Sign 30 hs guys and forget the portal and juco and just try to suck next year?? You'd be the first one saying they should have known the roster and fixed it. That's what they are trying to do. Will it be enough? Idk. But they are trying. Or just bitch just to bitch then change your position when the time comes. That's how to roll.
11-03-2023, 04:43 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

What do you want us to do?? Sign 30 hs guys and forget the portal and juco and just try to suck next year?? You'd be the first one saying they should have known the roster and fixed it. That's what they are trying to do. Will it be enough? Idk. But they are trying. Or just bitch just to bitch then change your position when the time comes. That's how to roll.

My biggest issue is us relying so much on JUCO before the portal even starts. We have 14 high school players committed right now. How many more are we expected to add? 2-3 maybe? What's going to happen 3-4 years from now? We're going to blame Arnett and Peterson because they're gone and we have to rely on the portal again.

The biggest thing is COVID got our numbers out of whack. We have some guys that could come back next year and mitigate things somewhat but we won't know for another month.

Meanwhile our HS QB is a Chris Relf clone, we can't get any running backs to commit despite a really good one being 10 miles from campus and handing the ball off 30 times a game, offensive line looks status quo outside of Lewis, we have one good LB and we're still struggling to recruit DB.

We should sign no fewer than 20 high school prospects.
11-03-2023, 04:48 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

A small class isn't a good thing.

Leach was a horrible recruiter ... looks about consistent to me LOL. The Home Boys doing great!! And they got all the DLinemen they really wanted in this class. We'll see how that turns out too.

https://i.postimg.cc/3rgKSTMD/MSU-Recruiting.png
11-03-2023, 04:50 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

My biggest issue is us relying so much on JUCO before the portal even starts. We have 14 high school players committed right now. How many more are we expected to add? 2-3 maybe? What's going to happen 3-4 years from now? We're going to blame Arnett and Peterson because they're gone and we have to rely on the portal again.

The biggest thing is COVID got our numbers out of whack. We have some guys that could come back next year and mitigate things somewhat but we won't know for another month.

Meanwhile our HS QB is a Chris Relf clone, we can't get any running backs to commit despite a really good one being 10 miles from campus and handing the ball off 30 times a game, offensive line looks status quo outside of Lewis, we have one good LB and we're still struggling to recruit DB.

We should sign no fewer than 20 high school prospects.

We are getting those for depth purposes. Some might can start. But mostly depth. Portal guys cost way most than juco guys. As for the 20. We don't have room. We are looking at two portal qb. Portal here portal there. Only so many spots. Not gonna change your mind but that's the reasoning.
11-03-2023, 06:08 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

We are getting those for depth purposes. Some might can start. But mostly depth. Portal guys cost way most than juco guys. As for the 20. We don't have room. We are looking at two portal qb. Portal here portal there. Only so many spots. Not gonna change your mind but that's the reasoning.

Depth purposes for a team that has been recruiting poorly? OK. I know you are getting your info from the coaches but this is exactly my problem with them. They talk out of both sides of their of their mouth. If we're not recruiting well then we need to find impact players- that's more than likely coming from the portal. The only time we need bodies for "depth purposes" is if we have an absolutely loaded team and just need a few guys to rotate in. That's not the case here.

And I know you said we are going to use the portal some- just so you know I'm not speaking in absolutes here. But we're using way too many JUCO guys. And it's because this group isn't good at identifying and recruiting the portal. So they're going back to what they're comfortable with. JUCO has been the MSU band aid for years.

This isn't really too surprising because our staff is basically made up of recruiters from previous staffs that couldn't recruit.

Then again MSU has never really been all in on recruiting anyway and this group isn't going to change that.
11-03-2023, 06:18 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Depth purposes for a team that has been recruiting poorly? OK. I know you are getting your info from the coaches but this is exactly my problem with them. They talk out of both sides of their of their mouth. If we're not recruiting well then we need to find impact players- that's more than likely coming from the portal. The only time we need bodies for "depth purposes" is if we have an absolutely loaded team and just need a few guys to rotate in. That's not the case here.

And I know you said we are going to use the portal some- just so you know I'm not speaking in absolutes here. But we're using way too many JUCO guys. And it's because this group isn't good at identifying and recruiting the portal. So they're going back to what they're comfortable with. JUCO has been the MSU band aid for years.

This isn't really too surprising because our staff is basically made up of recruiters from previous staffs that couldn't recruit.

Then again MSU has never really been all in on recruiting anyway and this group isn't going to change that.

If you don't think we need depth then I can't help you. Coming from a team that has 2 dl out and we've been short there all year. Play 2 dl at a time in 2 different games bc we didn't have enough bodies of decent players. Point of the depth remark is , juco is a place to get good players. We hope to get better in the portal but can't put all our eggs in that basket. Some might start.
11-03-2023, 06:20 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Depth purposes for a team that has been recruiting poorly? OK. I know you are getting your info from the coaches but this is exactly my problem with them. They talk out of both sides of their of their mouth. If we're not recruiting well then we need to find impact players- that's more than likely coming from the portal. The only time we need bodies for "depth purposes" is if we have an absolutely loaded team and just need a few guys to rotate in. That's not the case here.

And I know you said we are going to use the portal some- just so you know I'm not speaking in absolutes here. But we're using way too many JUCO guys. And it's because this group isn't good at identifying and recruiting the portal. So they're going back to what they're comfortable with. JUCO has been the MSU band aid for years.

This isn't really too surprising because our staff is basically made up of recruiters from previous staffs that couldn't recruit.

Then again MSU has never really been all in on recruiting anyway and this group isn't going to change that.

How do you know they can't identify guys in the portal?? Based on last year?? Just wow.
11-03-2023, 06:21 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, aGAIN- our quality of recruit is 26th

13/14 in the SEC. That'll give you the excuse that everyone is more talented when ZA and the homeboys lose, though.

ETA: Sorry I forgot two more teams will be joining the SEC, so I guess we are currently 14/15...
11-03-2023, 07:00 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'd have to check and make sure but coming into the season I knew it was going to be tough to beat LSU, Bama, and A&M. I also said our swing games being on the road was going to be tough but felt like 8 was doable.

I said 7-5/8-4.
Holding out hope.
11-03-2023, 07:09 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

If you don't think we need depth then I can't help you. Coming from a team that has 2 dl out and we've been short there all year. Play 2 dl at a time in 2 different games bc we didn't have enough bodies of decent players. Point of the depth remark is , juco is a place to get good players. We hope to get better in the portal but can't put all our eggs in that basket. Some might start.

I think we need people that can make an instant impact.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

How do you know they can't identify guys in the portal?? Based on last year?? Just wow.

How do you know they can? They haven't yet so why am I supposed to have blind faith that they can when they struggle with high school recruiting? Criticize Dudek and Leach all you want but they found two good safeties in the portal in Matthews and Green and they got Randy Charlton. Also got Biscardi who was a solid kicker. Lasoya has been solid and started on the o-line and Cole Smith has been a starter.

Who is our impact portal guy this year? Goede? This group couldn't even pull a quality TE that was eligible despite us having literally zero on the roster. They also grossly misevaluated our needs on edge rushers and at LB.

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