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So Leach played Natty team in 20. Runner up Natty in 21. And last year's Bama team was 5 pts away from probably being another runner up Natty team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Your point is??
2010 Bama team had 3 losses. 2014 team got smoke in CFB semis by OSU.
Relative to Nattys there ain't much difference. Leach scored 19 against UGA last year.
2/3rds of those Bama teams were National Champs and well above the last 4 Bama teams. Especially on defense. It's not even close in caliber of those teams vs the last 4-5 years. I mean the SEC West was historically the most difficult conference in 2010 and 2011 and that was just our division. When making comparisons like that, especially about Bama at its peak, it's not the same caliber team as the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Now I might agree with you on that but why should I?? Folks don't take COVID years into account, or other similar things like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
We play what is currently ranked as the worst D in the SEC, score 30, and our offense is now not a problem when just the week before we had 200 yds total O against what is the currently the 11th ranked D in the SEC and at home too.
ETA: Now maybe our O will be better going forward but I'm betting we score less than 10 this week and those will probably be garbage pts.
Another ETA: UGA 2021 team was all-time top 5 scoring D and we didn't play them. However he did score 19 against a Kirby Smart Natty D and Kirby was the reason for those dominant Bama Ds you're talking about Clark. And his UGA Ds look about the same.
Bama ain't a good barometer. We scared coming out of the tunnel against them. I will also add that the refs set the tone for last year's game up front with some horrible calls. That plays into final score too.
No? pretty much every west team put up a fight more often than not. We sucked more often than not. Mullen coached scaredQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Someone help me with this stat, but doesn't Leach have the record for most top 25 wins in a 3 year period? Even Kiffin does not have a signature win.
I know the air raid he ran needed some mobilization but it worked as an equalizer against the more talented SEC teams. He controlled the clock with it, or could instantly go into a 2 minute offense with it.
We were starting to get more talented receivers, and QB's so we really had not seen it with that caliber at QB.
For defense- CZA better fix that.
For offense- I hope this system works for us against the SEC West teams but it currently does not look good. I want to be wrong about this as much as some want to force this current offense and RTDF.
I'm sorry but that is just not a true look at the history of SEC West during that period. At least during a good portion of his first 4-5 years. Teams put up fights because they were historically difficult for 1 division. We finished 5th in 2010 and still ranked 15th because the west was so difficult. Find a complete conference, much less one division of a conference, that had 5 teams in the Top 15. Those 5 teams only had 1 loss outside of its division and that was Alabama losing to the East champion So Car. Who btw lost to Arkansas (who we took to double OT before losing) and Auburn (who we lost too 17-14) 2 times that year. It's just not the same strength historically during that period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Oh I agree we have real issues mentally playing Bama. There's no question on that. I don't have a problem considering Covid 2020 season. It's difficult in so many ways to not just put an asterisk on that season because of how we went ahead and played games well below the strength needed while some teams cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
My argument is that out of that decade State was the least competitive west team verse Bama. The fact that they were 6 titles doesn’t matter to me. I believe Mullen cos he’d scared and that why most of those games were over before they even startedQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Lol ....Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
What we need is an analytics coordinator that can show the coaches the data trends and help the coaches come up with better play call sequences and better overall game plans.
If Mullen was scared during that period, then what was Leach? Because the Bama teams Leach played were much softer than the ones Mullen went up against. That's were the argument goes flat, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Clearly didn’t watch last week because Steve Campbell that’s all he was doing the whole night it’s like arnett wasn’t coaching he was letting the analytics coach for him. Talk about unimpressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
THIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I think that’s where we are going to have to disagree. Also, there is a major argument that Leach didn’t have the talent to beat bama with his offense yet also there is a difference in coaching scared and playing scared. Leach has never once coached scared but our players after ******* years of coaching scared every year it takes time to brush that crap off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I really think the Leach debate should be mostly buried. What matters is what this staff does with the personnel we currently have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
We were told Barbay adapts to his personnel. So far I'm not seeing that. Maybe a glimpse last week but that was one game all year really. And as I said against the worst ranked D in the league.
And I also think this staff is getting a pass on performance by some on here that I don't think the staff really warrants. We'll see how the O does from here on out.
ETA: Some folks just hated Leach and that probably wouldn't have changed even if he won a Natty.
Did Mullen have the talent his first 3 years to beat Bama? I mean if that's the other part of your argument it doesn't wash during Mullen's first 3 seasons either. They both were bad against Bama but I'm just not going to hang Mullen, or Moorehead for that matter, with it but give Leach a pass when he was just as bad against them. Especially when the caliber of those Bama teams are not equal in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
I?m talking about a real analytics guy. Not a retired career football coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Clearly can't read a chart
Agreed on not enough data. We can't block anyone with a pulse which is why I don't fault him for running our worthless TE and a RS T out there to try and help.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Imagine that adjusting to what the QB is most comfortable with vs running the same 5 plays no matter what...Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg