Where Things Stand Currently

I don't believe for a second Lebby said he isnt making changes. I suppose one of you guys snuck inside Byan Building and heard the conversation**

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

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Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

IF you're against him there's no changing your mind but did you ever consider that Dan may have just learned his lesson?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It wouldn't split the fanbase even further. Moving from a coach with low (but not 0%) approval to one who would have high (but not 100%) approval is repairing the split, not taking it further.



I just don't think Dan is a "turd" at all, nor that the vast majority of our fans think he is.


That's because nobody wants him. If Lebby had been a good in-game coach and we were 8-4 right now, of course he'd be talking to other schools. And I wouldn't be offended by it if it he did.

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The goal isn't to put a band aid on things. The goal is to get the best coach for Mississippi State. That's not Dan Mullen. Back in 2010 he was the best we could do. But it's 2025 now. Player acquisition is the most important thing right now. That was the thing that Dan was the worst about.

Bringing Dan Mullen back would be the most poor ol State move we could ever do. And hell- he started this shit back in 2015 if we're being honest and actually know what goes on.

It won't work. But hey- maybe he can win enough so he can get the career record for wins that he doesn't care about.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs87

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

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I don't know. I remember him losing to Kentucky in similar fashion in 2016 with Peter Sirmon as his DC. He lost to New Mexico this year.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs87

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

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Yes, Mullen had a couple of losses to teams that finished 3-5 in the SEC (but usually beat them) and never had a loss to a team who finished 2-6. He just wasn't that kind of coach.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

And that's why we're not bowling, because Lebby wouldn't do that against Texas.

Another great pro-Mullen, anti-Lebby argument that you're making.

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We lost a lot of games under Dan because of that ultra conservative approach. You aren?t going to win big when your entire coaching mindset is to not do anything that might lose the game.

This fanbase has got to get on board with modern football and game theory.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't know. I remember him losing to Kentucky in similar fashion in 2016 with Peter Sirmon as his DC. He lost to New Mexico this year.

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That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

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Originally Posted by KB21

We lost a lot of games under Dan because of that ultra conservative approach.

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List them all?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

IF you're against him there's no changing your mind but did you ever consider that Dan may have just learned his lesson?

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What lesson? His ass got blown out by Boise State the only team they played with a pulse and he's on his second DC. He took over a 10 win team and they haven't gotten worse but haven't gotten better either.

Has it occurred to you that maybe he's the same guy? He was already trying to get in on Arkansas this year around midseason.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

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Why? He went 5-7 during the regular season that year also. That sounds familiar to me. That Florida team also beat Texas at home this year.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

List them all?

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Alabama every time we had a prayer.

But you know what? You're right. His conservative play calling usually led to a blowout before the fourth quarter even started so we just looked like bitches.

He almost lost LSU in 2014 because of his idiotic substitutions and conservative play calling.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why? He went 5-7 during the regular season that year also. That sounds familiar to me. That Florida team also beat Texas at home this year.

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Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

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We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

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Brent Vigen didn't end up taking the Oregon State job. Let's go get him.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

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Comparing apples and watermelons again. Everything that happened per nil is a different game. Anyway, he is not coming back here.

Lebby?s ceiling is not 5-7. That?s ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his process. He is analytically sound in his decision making. He?s aggressive. He has a great offensive scheme.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

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Lebby's ceiling is higher than 5-7. He went 5-7 with no offensive line and no defense and he doubled our win total. Stop clutching pearls over some bullshit that happened at Baylor that didn't even involve you.

We should always do what is best for Mississippi State and if you think that bringing Dan back is what is best then you are a dumbass and an example of why we don't win. And the booster that want to do it are dumbasses as well. Boosters got us into this mess so why the **** not? They'll never learn.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

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I don’t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.