THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

I don’t know how the projections look for Moorhead in the long run here or if he will even be here long period, but he’s assuredly upping the talent floor while he is here.

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I know nobody wants to hear this...

But the truth is if we give him 3-4 years to bring in and develop the talent he is bringing in we will raise our overall ceiling.

Think about Dan and when he first got here. We were probably a consistent 6 win team with good coaching with an occasional 8 win ceiling with anything above or below that an outlier. (2009-2013) Ever since 2014 we have become a consistent 8 win team except for one year 2016 which could be explained in part by a poor coach (Sirmon).

With Joe so far we are still an 8 win team with what we have- barring the results of this year which I think we can come close to and probably reach again. But after a few years hopefully we will elevate ourselves to consistent 9-10 win team. I think it's very possible with the way that we are recruiting if the JUCO's can fill in holes the next couple of years assuming Joe develops our players well.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

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I love this addition.....great athlete

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

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Agree and also gives us an inside track for his brother in 2021..
Congrats to Jaden and welcome home kid..

Alright guru's, which ones of the many skill players in the class are going to be playing a role next season?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I know nobody wants to hear this...

But the truth is if we give him 3-4 years to bring in and develop the talent he is bringing in we will raise our overall ceiling.

Think about Dan and when he first got here. We were probably a consistent 6 win team with good coaching with an occasional 8 win ceiling with anything above or below that an outlier. (2009-2013) Ever since 2014 we have become a consistent 8 win team except for one year 2016 which could be explained in part by a poor coach (Sirmon).

With Joe so far we are still an 8 win team with what we have- barring the results of this year which I think we can come close to and probably reach again. But after a few years hopefully we will elevate ourselves to consistent 9-10 win team. I think it's very possible with the way that we are recruiting if the JUCO's can fill in holes the next couple of years assuming Joe develops our players well.

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I also know no one wants to hear this: the idea that Joe is recruiting far superior to what late stage Mullen did, is a falsehood-at least to this point. I'm sure he tries harder and has better relationships, etc. Wouldn't disagree with that, but the data speaks for itself. DM's last 3 classes averaged 9.33 in the SEC. Moorheads first 3 classes (2020 isn't done yet, but going off the current ranking) SEC average is 9.33. We aren't gaining any ground on our peers, we aren't losing any ground on our peers. What that means is up for interpretation. My take is we are going to have to develop players as well as Mullen did, which remains to be seen, and scheme/coach in game as well as he did, also remains to be seen, to keep up our current 8 win type average we have had the last decade. Moorhead is recruiting a slightly better player on average-.8765 for first 3 classes to DM's .8696 last 3 classes.

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

I also know no one wants to hear this: the idea that Joe is recruiting far superior to what late stage Mullen did, is a falsehood-at least to this point. I'm sure he tries harder and has better relationships, etc. Wouldn't disagree with that, but the data speaks for itself. DM's last 3 classes averaged 9.33 in the SEC. Moorheads first 3 classes (2020 isn't done yet, but going off the current ranking) SEC average is 9.33. We aren't gaining any ground on our peers, we aren't losing any ground on our peers. What that means is up for interpretation. My take is we are going to have to develop players as well as Mullen did, which remains to be seen, and scheme/coach in game as well as he did, also remains to be seen, to keep up our current 8 win type average we have had the last decade. Moorhead is recruiting a slightly better player on average-.8765 for first 3 classes to DM's .8696 last 3 classes.

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The 2018 class belongs to Mullen....just saying

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

The 2018 class belongs to Mullen....just saying

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I disagree, but don't think it's stupid or crazy to think that way. The way I look at it is, every one of the players that signed in the 18 class signed their NLI fully aware that Joe Moorhead was going to be their head coach. There were no surprises as to who was going to be coaching them. Joe had to re-recruit a majority of those guys. Now, most of them committed to Mullen, but they all signed with JM.

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

I disagree, but don't think it's stupid or crazy to think that way. The way I look at it is, every one of the players that signed in the 18 class signed their NLI fully aware that Joe Moorhead was going to be their head coach. There were no surprises as to who was going to be coaching them. Joe had to re-recruit a majority of those guys. Now, most of them committed to Mullen, but they all signed with JM.

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That's def true but on the flip side you have to imagine if Joe was here the whole time there were players in the 2018 class he could have possibly gotten in early on that Mullen didn't have a chance with. If there's a kid that was committed somewhere else it would have been nearly impossible to flip him over when Joe got here in late Nov but say he was here a year earlier before that kid ever committed he could have possibly gotten him.

Rankings are hit and miss. There are a number of very good recruits that Moorhead has signed that Mullen would have given up on and not signed.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Is this the fastest class we've every signed?

Every time I watch film on our commits, they appear to have lighter, quicker feet & faster than most any class I can remember.

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The Brandon Holloway class had some speed. I think Smokey, Gabe Myles, Brandon Holloway and Slay were all in that class.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Rankings are hit and miss. There are a number of very good recruits that Moorhead has signed that Mullen would have given up on and not signed.

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Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

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Probably to keep us as high as possible in rankings

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

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Usually they list them until the HC gives word to drop them.

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

I also know no one wants to hear this: the idea that Joe is recruiting far superior to what late stage Mullen did, is a falsehood-at least to this point. I'm sure he tries harder and has better relationships, etc. Wouldn't disagree with that, but the data speaks for itself. DM's last 3 classes averaged 9.33 in the SEC. Moorheads first 3 classes (2020 isn't done yet, but going off the current ranking) SEC average is 9.33. We aren't gaining any ground on our peers, we aren't losing any ground on our peers. What that means is up for interpretation. My take is we are going to have to develop players as well as Mullen did, which remains to be seen, and scheme/coach in game as well as he did, also remains to be seen, to keep up our current 8 win type average we have had the last decade. Moorhead is recruiting a slightly better player on average-.8765 for first 3 classes to DM's .8696 last 3 classes.

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The biggest difference- and this is a major difference- is Joe has fewer obvious holes in his classes at position groups.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

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Paul has said they stay on the list until their removal is made official by the school.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The biggest difference- and this is a major difference- is Joe has fewer obvious holes in his classes at position groups.

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This. While the class ranking maybe similar, Joe is recruiting balanced classes whereas Dan often left gaps on WRs, OLs and at times DBs.

Quincy Brown decommitted

I wonder what % of players that commit somewhere before their junior year stick with their commitment?

Then how many of those that do stick are committed to Bama, LSU, Clemson, GA, Ohio State, Oklahoma

Just part of it. From what I have observed over the years, if we get a commit early in their junior year, it’s a 50/50 shot they’ll stay committed. Tulu, Alex Adams, etc are examples. Might as well commit them, but when you get burned over and over it’s hard to get too pumped up.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Quincy Brown decommitted

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Dang didn't he just commit like 3 weeks ago?