Yes that has been happening with the nursing homes and that is a really good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
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Yes that has been happening with the nursing homes and that is a really good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I agree, but that's why the Risk limit is a BMI of 40Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
BTW a 40 BMI is 6'0" and over 300 lbs...
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Originally Posted by Dawg2003
For Mers it is about 34 months and Sars, it's about 2-3 years.
For the 'ronas that cause a cold, it's about 6 months for immunity and a year to "make it a mild infection"
No, we do not even know that you will get immunity. The assumption is you do. With the other coronaviruses it is 3 months to 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Oh jeez. That means people could potentially get reinfected this fall.
Fauci did say something today that gives hope. He said that with so many people's body having the ability to fight off the virus naturally with no effect, that will help speed up the process of a new vaccine. The vaccine might just be replicating that. . A lot of vaccine I guess infect you with the virus to be immune but replicating this process of the body naturally fighting off the virus could possible speed things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Is everyone immune? I'm not sure that has been established.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
No other coronavirus renders life long immunity...I don't see why this one would be any different. This is why I'm saying that this will become endimic to humanity (much like the flu, cold, etc). I'm sure they will have better treatments over time so that will help with hospitalization, duration, and mortality rate. Eventually they may create a seasonal vaccine (much like the flu) that would require a booster each year. They could possibly make a DNA/RNA based vaccince but those require extensive research and testing. Any time you alter someone's DNA to combat an illness you are potentially creating a cascade of other issues.
That is literally what a vaccine is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Yes I understood that but what facui said they may not have to go that approach. They may be able to replicate what goes on in those who have no symptoms and the body naturally fighting off the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Ok I misunderstood your post. You mean from a treament standpoint?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Why did sars and mers and other coronaviruses go away without a vaccine? Herd immunity due to minimal mutation of the virus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Yes but I might have misunderstood him. He is hard to follow sometimes but he did say if they can replicate how certain people have not adverse effect from the virus, that would not take as long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Because all viruses are different? The flu has never gone away.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I think that's bc the flu mutates. There are four strains (A through D, with only A and B being prevalent I believe) and A and B mutate often, thereby decreasing immunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Early studies show minimal mutation of covid 19, so that is good. It is a RNA virus and several of those have been largely eradicated without a vaccine because they didn't mutate fast enough to outpace immunity.
For SARSQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
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Where has SARS gone? The short answer is that public health measures were effective. Although SARS caused a reported 774 deaths worldwide between November 2002 and July 2003, case detection, isolation, quarantine, along with contact tracing, broke the chain of transmission.
For MERS, they think it was mostly spread by Camels..
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The disease therefore seems to spread due to frequent animal-to-human transmission, from camels to humans, with limited subsequent human-to-human transmissions.
BTW Reading the warning of this pisses me of....
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SARS also exists as a potentiality in the wild. SARS-like viruses have been reported in a colony of bats in China?s Yunnan Province. From analyses of whole-genome sequences of these novel bat coronaviruses, it has been suggested that they are closely related to the SARS coronavirus. A 2013 paper in Nature reported ?the strongest evidence to date that Chinese horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs of SARS coronaviruses, and that intermediate hosts may not be necessary for direct human infection.? The study also suggested a potential for future spillovers and stressed ?the importance of pathogen-discovery programs targeting high-risk wildlife groups in emerging disease hotspots as a strategy for pandemic preparedness.? In other words, the complex events that triggered the disease outbreak in 2003 could reoccur.
Effin China batsQuote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
SARS was scary if you got it. But it was much easier to contain because if you had it, you knew you had it. You weren't contagious until you were showing symptoms. I think around only 10,000 people were infected and they were able to completely eliminate it through quarantine and contact tracing.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Ebola outbreaks are similar.
Just for kicks, imagine Ebola with asymptomatic spreaders. Now that'd be a ****ing nightmare.
Swollen testicles the size of grapefruits. (or maybe that's marburg).Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I remember getting the mumps when I was a little kid. My dad who broke his back in Vietnam was home from the hospital. I remember hearing him talking to my mom about Marines getting mumps while over there, not being able to get treatment, having those mumps drop to their nuts and testicles becoming swollen. It scared the hell out of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Yeah the mumps can sterilize you, it's pretty serious if not taken care of properly. Glad I never got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Many are being set to the hospital. I know of at least 4 who died in the hospital. In many cases, the outbreak (knowledge of it) started with a hospital visit because that's the first time they were tested. That's changed now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I've seen homes attempt to isolate patients that test positive (doesn't work). My guess is family simply allows some to pass away and some have DNRs.
My antibody test was negative for past and current exposure.
Others have answered this but I'll throw my 2 cents in. Sars-1 has a (at most) 5 day gestation period but is apparent that you are sick pretty early on and there was a high likelihood that it would kill you. Viruses that present quickly and kill the host typically don't last long in a population because the virus basically kills itself off by killing the host. Sars 1 can be contained easily because you know you have it quick and it kills the host quickly. Sars has about a 20% mortality rate through all ages and a 50% mortality rate for 60+.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
MERS is much the same but has a 35% mortality rate overall and spreads more slowly it appears (which is a good thing).
Scientists have not been able to create a stable vaccine or specific treatment for either of these COVIDs. SARS-1 has been around for about 15 years and MERS for about 8 years.
Due to my job, I will be getting tested for the virus and the antibodies on a regular basis (fun). That is starting within the next week or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
not in the US ... cant use wood framing in anything over 5 stories per code and concrete takes a minimum of 28 days to cure .... shoring can't be removed before 21 days .... not to mention site development and utilities rough in ........ The Chinese are lying againQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Antibody test was nothing, blood. The actual test though, screw thatQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Lol yeah, the actual test is not pleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The reaction of all of us bureaucrats reading Jack's post:Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
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Yeah.....I'm pretty excited about having to do that***Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by hacker
We have seen what a disease with a Ebola CFR and with "asymptomatic spreaders"Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
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I used the wrong verbiage. They have the ability to do it. The building was prefabricated and assembled in 17 days.. It is very possible china is lying. Hell they lie about everything. But if you throw out all safety and environmental regulation and not care how many workers die or how many hours they have to work it which they can do in China it is possible to assemble an prefabricated building. I would not want to work in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
So how can we make one for COVID-19 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
That's why I feel like contact tracing is largely a waste of time. By the time I know I'm positive and start trace, I've been shedding virus for the last five days around 100 people who each have then went and been around another 100 people.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
The assumption with contact tracing is that you would not continue to spend 5+minutes talking to a 100 people after you were tested....Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
But yeah if you try and contact trace during a normal football season, it's useless...
But by the time I go get tested I've already been shedding virus for several days around 100 people.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
So, if you are positive, all of those people have to be tested....Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
This is not that complicated....
And again, the assumption is you don't go around exposing people if you think you have it.
The assumption is, people will not act like assholes going around spreading the virus, if they think they have the virus and need to be tested.
I see some on here that would spread it on purpose...
I have heavy experience in construction fabrication from load bearing steel framing to pre-stress concrete plank flooring to prefinished exterior wall panels to trusses to bathroom pods and hospital rooms with headwalls and everything ready to go ..... there's absolutely no way it can be done ... not even a 4 story structure - much much less a towerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Again the Chinese are lying like they are taught from birth to do
I don't know and no reason to argue about it. China lies and they lie a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I certainly would not spread it on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
But it won't work. Practically, this is how it works. I start feeling symptoms and stop being around people right then and go get tested. By that time, I've been shedding virus for 5 days and have been around 100+ people. There are not enough hours in the day for someone to contact those 100 people and the 100 people each of them have been around the last five days. Like literally, you could make calls 24/7 and not have enough time to do that. Contact tracing won't work with this.