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I don't care who they lost ... they have out recruited us for decades - they may have a bad record this year but they do have better talent than us as always .... we just had a better game plan than they did which is incredibly surprisingQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
I'll agree that our offensive production is trash. Heck it's downright boring to watch! Where we and most others on your side differ is that I believe that Leach does turn it around.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Wasn't really smoke and mirrors. This offense is good against a man to man, blitzing team. We won't see that defense again until Leach is fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Here is what you are missing - I hope he turns it around as well. As far as believing he will, I'm not sure I believe that just yet, i want to believe but so far he has shown me very little. The 3-8 is a problem. It was a problem when we hired him and now that teams are using it against us, it is still a problem, but that is irrelevant to the point most of us are trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
I want us to stop making up excuses for Leach. He is failing because his offense is failing. That's it. Now - you can blame bad fits with personnel - well that is on him. He is being paid to adjust. Same way Mullen took Relf and said I'm about to run this tough SOB about 25-30 times a game as opposed to trying to make him Chris Leak. Now - the problem with the argument that we don't have the personnel to be successful is that we actually were successful with this personnel against an SEC team - on the road. The only difference in that game and the other games we have played this season is one team blitzed and played man defense, the other teams have been playing a ton of 3-8. That is it. Hard to argue that LSU is less talented than Vandy, Arkansas and Kentucky on defense.
If you want to blame personnel - you have a hard time for explaining away the LSU game. In fact - its impossible. The difference is scheme, and that is not the players - its the coaches. That is what most of us that are critical of Leach understand - we do have players that can be competitive and score against SEC teams - we just have to adjust to a different defensive scheme that we are seeing and so far, we have not adjusted.
Instead of posters blaming the coaches, we have people on here claiming that our team is a bunch of lazy, spoiled, drug addicts. I think it is awful and pretty lazy by the posters. A lot of these kids have won multiple egg bowls, SEC games and done it the right way for a while. Now all of a sudden "they" are the problem.
Attitude reflects leadership. If our team has a poor attitude, there is a guy getting paid 5 million dollars who's job it is to lead this team.
I think vandy kinda proves the point that it's not scheme and not sec defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I mean, leach has dominated sucky defenses like vandy and ky (for 20 years with average offensive talent.
Bama played a lot of man and blitzedQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
You need to find another team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OW...hannel=BadWolf
Can't everyone just admit that Leach is being continuously out coached in every game.
Please post how, "he," is running them off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
What is, "he<" doing to make them want to leave?
What are the coaches and players doing at practice? What is the problem?
Please elaborate!
I believe Mullen is a very good coach. Nine years. Five of those nine years he was trying to leave after the Bama game and even though we won some of those games it was crap every year after the Bama game. And we looked like crap in some of those games. He would have been a great coach here if he had wanted to be here IMHO,Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
no they didn't. saban even said in the postgame that he changed his philosphy against us and put in a different D against Leach in the preseason based on what Washington ran.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
It's unreal. They can't admit it. There's no point arguing with people on the internet. I don't know why I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
On the average, what % of the time should 5 SEC OL be able to block 3 SEC DL?
If a team is running 3- 8 and you have a QB like say, Fran Tarkenton who wants to throw the ball not run it, the QB should be able to have almost all the time in the world for receivers to get open, all over the place against 8 defenders.
Block 3 hold the ball and hit open receivers long, medium and short.
It is in the QB's mind and hand, to beat the 3-8, if 5 can block 3, 85% of te time.
But when the DEs split out really wide, it's really 1v1, 1v1, and 1vs3, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho
Yep. We negate our 5 v. 3 advantage with the wide splits.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No. Not if you have guards who can move their feet, head on a swivel, and are smart (I'm not saying our guards aren't smart, but they are slow and not alert; they are lost). Plus, cross is usually fine on an island even against a 9 tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Go watch the film. They did pattern match on third down some like Saban always does, but they played a lot of man. Remember that 21 yard run by marks? That was against man.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
If you have a guard that moves that far to help, you'll see a lb blitz the next playQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
If you think Bama ran anything similar against us that LSU did, I can't help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah- this is just ridiculous. Bama moved the D around and brought people from different places- but they backed up and covered for 3/4 of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Ive been back in coaching 5 years now. My last 3 offenses have set school records in various categories. I'm good. Thanks for your concernQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Do you think the guard is supposed to go outside the tackle to help? You're not asking him to move far to help, maybe 4-5 feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
A guard with good feet can help against a wide DE who is forced back inside, chooses to come back inside, or who comes back inside on a twist. Not asking him to vacate his spot to go help a tackle block a wide DE 10 yards away.
When watching our OL, we have guys there they are just not able.
Who said anything about LSU? The 3-8 comparison is to ark, who played almost zero man. If you think Bama played 3-8 every play with cloud coverage or quarters the way ark did, I can't help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Arkansas and that 3-8 handled that great OM offense to the tune of 6 picks. KY should've beaten OM. Would have if not for missed kick. There's a lot of shitty ball in the SEC. Lotta weird shit too.
No- but Bama backed up and covered with 7 while rushing 4 a whole lot. They confused us by rotating their front and rushing from different sides. They blitzed a few times- but they mostly just rushed from different sides and dropped different people to confuse usQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Yep. They also played a lot more man than ark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This idea that the only thing stopping this offense is the 3-8 is a farce. Vandy is another example. They tried 3-8 early and we went up 14-0. They started bringing more pressure and we looked lost.
The only time we've looked worth a crap is when LSU had only 4 scholly corners chasing verticals all day in bump and run and could barely move by the third quarter. They blanked us the first quarter I believe.
But the common theme is that SEC teams are dropping 7-8 guys with no problem in stopping us. Until we can run the ball- the Air Raid will not work in the SEC. Thats the bottom lineQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I've said that since day 1. That's the most disappointing thing to me. Adding the toss was a start. Need to add 2 more conceptsQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You can't fix a culture issue with a sucking head coach though...Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Concept 1) needs to be "OL blocks" because as long as the OL is the worst I've ever seen in Maroon, I doubt anything works. 2) imo should be a zone read. Allow the OT to pull for an extra blocker and eliminate the DE from the box numbers. It's easy to teach and understand. 3) should be an RPO right over top of the LBs. If they stay back give the handoff for 5. If they charge up pull it and hit the slot man running straight to the empty zone. If the Safeties begin to crash down play action them deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
LB's in a 7-8 man zone pull double duty. RPO would break the 3-8. Maybe some 7 man drop half man cover 3 type thing would be the counter DCs make, BUT we'd be closer to being effective than we are now.
This. Any fan that thinks our offensive line talent is the problem, they don't know what they are watching. DCs are playing chess while Leach is playing checkers. Our guys don't know who to block when. That's coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I haven't been impressed with Mason Miller. Both his unit on the field and his recruiting. I don't think some of our assistants are SEC caliber asstsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Guards also have a zone to protect even if there's no D-lineman in front of them in case of delayed LB blitz ... If we had a back in the backfield to block the potential LB / DT blitz then yes the guard can swing around and pick up the DE's rush .... people keep saying this OL is garbage but I think the talent there isn't as bad as some claim ... it's not as simple as the 5 blocking 3 thing - many times the OL are just being responsible for their zone. What makes it hard on the OL is the defense knows what's coming and pin their ears back and come hard - most of the times on a DL stunt because they know their back up protection will pick up any missed tacklesQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Yeah there's a disconnect somewhere in here. This oline was much better last year. Under bad coaching then.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
It's youth and inexperience. Go back and watch Mullen's 2016 team. 2017 they were pretty darn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
2016 oline was less talented and much better than this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Lot easier to block when the Dline can't pin their ears back on every play. Don't most people realize this?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
3 DL pin their ears back each play, 2 LBs spy the RB in the backfield and disrupt the mesh routes, and drop 6 DBs in coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
We should run the ball every time we see two safeties high. But this OL has been coached to initiate contact and push holes for the RBs in the past. Now they're expected to create a pocket and 1v1 a blitzing DL each play.
It seems so simple to disrupt the defense by throwing in a few run plays where you pull a guard and run off tackle. I'm not saying to change your offensive game plan..... but at least keep the defense ****ing honest.