I think we may be making a change...

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Exactly, with Croom I felt we were poorly coached and had very little SEC level talent but never felt the culture of the program was decaying. In fact, Croom restored a lot of the culture within the program lost during the final years of JWS. I do appreciate him for that even though I thought when he showed up he ran off many more players than he should have.

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Oh gosh, not this stupid garbage revisionist history again.

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Originally Posted by DeputyDawg94

Have you ever coached upwards basketball? Them mommas and grandmommas ain?t playing that crap***

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The younger you go, the worse the parents are. Source: Have umpired tball one game. Stuck to Babe Ruth after that.

He gone guys. Rosebowl all but said it. My gosh read between the lines a little. He gave every possible reason for a change of heart since the egg bowl and said every department with the football team would see coaching changes. It would be the first time an entire staff left except for the HC.
ETA - he even tried to smooth over his own change of position since he took up for JM 3 weeks ago. Told everybody we have to do what's best for the program going forward.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Massafrigginchusetts????!!!! Who tha eff drug your Southern ass all the way up there?

I've got your file under review***

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Working on Warren's campaign. Why do you think she's doing so well?**

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.

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Like I said, SR is NOT going to come out saying a HC change is being made and then have to go back and retract that if things all fall through and JM is still here. That would put him in a really bad light and would make things very awkward should he have to deal with JM next season. Just the fact he is saying that a HC change is a distinct possibility now when just a couple of weeks ago he was saying JM would absolutely be the coach in the 2020 season is pretty telling.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

Oh gosh, not this stupid garbage revisionist history again.

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Revisionist? You are joking right? Of all of the criticisms of Croom, I've never heard anyone say he ran a lax or undisciplined program at MSU.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Like I said, SR is NOT going to come out saying a HC change is being made and then have to go back and retract that if things all fall through and JM is still here. That would put him in a really bad light and would make things very awkward should he have to deal with JM next season. Just the fact he is saying that a HC change is a distinct possibility now when just a couple of weeks ago he was saying JM would absolutely be the coach in the 2020 season is pretty telling.

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SR is not one to talk negatively about MSU coaches in any way.. it is telling to me for sure.

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Originally Posted by bobtail bob

Oh sure he ripped jughead a little but he is appeasing the masses .Then he added that part about the assistants being changed for sure. That was planting the seed per his controllers.
I'm a little bit of a cynic, So I could be wrong . I still have the question though, Why won't they fire this program killer ?

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I'm of the opinion it was a trial balloon to see if we would accept just the assistant changes (we won't)

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

Oh gosh, not this stupid garbage revisionist history again.

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For real...Croom was the worst. I guess the "culture" he is referring to is multiple players firing pistols on campus.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Like I said, SR is NOT going to come out saying a HC change is being made and then have to go back and retract that if things all fall through and JM is still here. That would put him in a really bad light and would make things very awkward should he have to deal with JM next season. Just the fact he is saying that a HC change is a distinct possibility now when just a couple of weeks ago he was saying JM would absolutely be the coach in the 2020 season is pretty telling.

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Yep, he was saying Joe is 100% safe three weeks ago. Now after Fightgate, Bowl Debacle #2 and I think some heated conversations about staff changes it looks like Joe may be done.

You people look at Steve's opinions incorrectly.

- You don't listen to Steve Robertson because you care about what he actually thinks.

- You listen to Steve Robertson to see what he is willing to say. It's pretty well established that Steve has inside info & will only say what he is allowed to say. He will toe the party line until the party like changes.

Thus it's a waste to time to say "well, he said this 3 weeks ago, etc" It's only important what he is saying at the moment because that's what is likely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If we make a change, it's likely Hud.

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If it is, we will be a lot tougher than we were this year. At minimum we wont be soft and we wont run from anyone. Hud is a hardass coach. I dont think its a home run but its a good fit

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yep, he was saying Joe is 100% safe three weeks ago. Now after Fightgate, Bowl Debacle #2 and I think some heated conversations about staff changes it looks like Joe may be done.

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This is just my interpretation, but Steve went all in on criticizing the job that Joe has done to this point. If Joe stays, he’s not going to let that go. Steve doesn’t typically do that, which makes me think he’s heard some talk.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

He gone guys. Rosebowl all but said it. My gosh read between the lines a little. He gave every possible reason for a change of heart since the egg bowl and said every department with the football team would see coaching changes. It would be the first time an entire staff left except for the HC.
ETA - he even tried to smooth over his own change of position since he took up for JM 3 weeks ago. Told everybody we have to do what's best for the program going forward.

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Reading between the lines...

There will probably be a meeting this week to decide Joe's fate.

And either Joe will go or he will stay and we'll hire a bunch of new assistants.

Either way Rosebowl can make it look like whatever happens he was right.

He's probably speculating that Joe will be gone though but gave himself enough wiggle room if it doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You people look at Steve's opinions incorrectly.

- You don't listen to Steve Robertson because you care about what he actually thinks.

- You listen to Steve Robertson to see what he is willing to say. It's pretty well established that Steve has inside info & will only say what he is allowed to say. He will toe the party line until the party like changes.

Thus it's a waste to time to say "well, he said this 3 weeks ago, etc" It's only important what he is saying at the moment because that's what is likely to happen.

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Makes sense.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.

Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Reading between the lines...

There will probably be a meeting this week to decide Joe's fate.

And either Joe will go or he will stay and we'll hire a bunch of new assistants.

Either way Rosebowl can make it look like whatever happens he was right.

He's probably speculating that Joe will be gone though but gave himself enough wiggle room if it doesn't happen.

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Steve also typically just comes out and says if status quo is status quo.. the fact that he wouldn't... there's definitely smoke.

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Originally Posted by KB21

This is just my interpretation, but Steve went all in on criticizing the job that Joe has done to this point. If Joe stays, he’s not going to let that go. Steve doesn’t typically do that, which makes me think he’s heard some talk.

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This is true. And MSU has been a lot harder on the media this year than ever before. See Tyler Horka's slam piece on Michael Story one year after that incident occurred. MSU basically shut off the media the entire year for the most part as far as practice goes.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm not guaranteeing anything- but I'm really getting the vibe a change may be happening. Between Rosey's criticism and a rumor I got passed- I think we may do what needs to be done.

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FWIW I have always been under the impression that if things went south for the bowl game that the 'extension' wasn't going to happen. Nobody told me that outright, but just had and still have that feeling. Hoping it comes through. Can't imagine anyone thinking we are on the right track.

It wouldn't be a bad time to make the change. Recruiting class is mostly done (we might lose one or two but would've probably lost more if we change after the egg bowl). Coaching conference is right around the corner so it's a good time to put together a staff.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Steve also typically just comes out and says if status quo is status quo.. the fact that he wouldn't... there's definitely smoke.

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I think there is definitely some smoke. I just think that the meeting hasn't happened yet so nothing is official at this point.

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Originally Posted by Randolph Dupree

FWIW I have always been under the impression that if things went south for the bowl game that the 'extension' wasn't going to happen. Nobody told me that outright, but just had and still have that feeling. Hoping it comes through. Can't imagine anyone thinking we are on the right track.

It wouldn't be a bad time to make the change. Recruiting class is mostly done (we might lose one or two but would've probably lost more if we change after the egg bowl). Coaching conference is right around the corner so it's a good time to put together a staff.

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Also- it's not uncommon for the NFL to hire college coaches around this time and it essentially starts a second hiring season. People like Mark Helfrich just became available if we were looking at an OC for example.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

For real...Croom was the worst. I guess the "culture" he is referring to is multiple players firing pistols on campus.

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Look, I'm no Croom defender so I'm not going to fight anyone on this, but all I've ever seen, heard and understood over the years from those who should know (and I certainly have had no inside access myself to our program at any time) was that by the time Jackie left things had gotten really bad within the program. Croom seemed to improve that while here and I thought Mullen even acknowledged that when he took over. Now that certainly doesn't mean that we didn't have some issues even during Croom's time. When you are talking about 100 athletes in the program over a number of years, not all are going to behave like they should all the time. If what I've perceived over the years regarding Croom's program is wrong, so be it. Either way, I was very happy when we let him go because he was never going to win.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.

Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.

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16 was a bad year but it was no where near the cluster 18 and 19 were. Mullen ruined 16 at the end of 15. He mishandled that year but that team did get better as it went and the culture was still good.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

16 was a bad year but it was no where near the cluster 18 and 19 were. Mullen ruined 16 at the end of 15. He mishandled that year but that team did get better as it went and the culture was still good.

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Difference between this team and the '16 team is that at the end of '16 I felt like '17 would be a special year (and it mostly was). I feel like next year under JoMo is going to be mostly the same.. with less wins.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Also- it's not uncommon for the NFL to hire college coaches around this time and it essentially starts a second hiring season. People like Mark Helfrich just became available if we were looking at an OC for example.

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Harry Hiestand as OL coach as well.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

16 was a bad year but it was no where near the cluster 18 and 19 were. Mullen ruined 16 at the end of 15. He mishandled that year but that team did get better as it went and the culture was still good.

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Last part of Mullen's tenure he pissed away a number of November games trying to find a higher profile job. Very few MSU fans ever wanted Mullen gone outside of the fact that Mullen made it clear he had no intention of staying.

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Last part of Mullen's tenure he pissed away a number of November games trying to find a higher profile job. Very few MSU fans ever wanted Mullen gone outside of the fact that Mullen made it clear he had no intention of staying.

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Right. To compare Moorhead and Mullen is just ignorant unless you're showing how bad Jo is

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Last part of Mullen's tenure he pissed away a number of November games trying to find a higher profile job. Very few MSU fans ever wanted Mullen gone outside of the fact that Mullen made it clear he had no intention of staying.

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He almost and should've beat Bama that November. Best game plan I've ever seen him throw out there. Mullen wasn't gone until right before the egg bowl.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

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I said it the week of the egg bowl, but watch for mark dantonio. Would be a HR

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

For real...Croom was the worst. I guess the "culture" he is referring to is multiple players firing pistols on campus.

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You gotta be bus driver Kinard. gotta be. I bet that's your actual house with you playing the back legs part sniffing front leg dude's ass,

Here's to hoping we're gonna start the new year off right!

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I said it the week of the egg bowl, but watch for mark dantonio. Would be a HR

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Most will say he's too old and they wouldn't want him....and personally I don't think he'd be my choice....BUT, one thing we have always recruited well is defense, and that dude can coach some damn defense. I would be absolutely floored if we went that route though. Does he have any ties to the South? Wasn't he having health issues? How old is he? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions, but would want to know.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Difference between this team and the '16 team is that at the end of '16 I felt like '17 would be a special year (and it mostly was). I feel like next year under JoMo is going to be mostly the same.. with less wins.

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Why because of the Egg Bowl?

We sucked in 16. We were 2-5 at one point and were on our way to 3-9 before a fluke win against A&M. We also gave up huge point totals to UMASS and Samford. We lost to Arkansas at home (One of 13 total SEC wins for Arkansas since Petrino left) in a game where they never punted. Lastly we got embarrassed 51-3 at Alabama. It was certainly looking special until we turned it all around in the EB....

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We also had to block a field goal at the end of regulation to beat Miami of Ohio in our bowl game.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I keep hearing this so I?m assuming we have a prominent booster that doesn?t like him. That?s is sad if the case but not surprising since we have boosters still supporting JoMo. It appears some of them are raging morons.

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Too many skeletons in the closet.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Most will say he's too old and they wouldn't want him....and personally I don't think he'd be my choice....BUT, one thing we have always recruited well is defense, and that dude can coach some damn defense. I would be absolutely floored if we went that route though. Does he have any ties to the South? Wasn't he having health issues? How old is he? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions, but would want to know.

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It was just about a given that the bowl the other day was his last ride at Sparty. He is a hell of a coach and we would have no culture problem. The connections would be a hill to climb but he is a winner. And winners win

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Here's to hoping we're gonna start the new year off right!

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.

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I hate how believable this is.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Why because of the Egg Bowl?

We sucked in 16. We were 2-5 at one point and were on our way to 3-9 before a fluke win against A&M. We also gave up huge point totals to UMASS and Samford. We lost to Arkansas at home (One of 13 total SEC wins for Arkansas since Petrino left) in a game where they never punted. Lastly we got embarrassed 51-3 at Alabama. It was certainly looking special until we turned it all around in the EB....

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We also had to block a field goal at the end of regulation to beat Miami of Ohio in our bowl game.

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Defense was what killed us that year. Flip flopping on QB cost us at the start of the year (USA and LSU). Then defense made us have some putrid showings. Once we hired Grantham I felt like 2017 could be really good. We had settled on our QB and had begun righting the ship with our staff changes. Our HC knew there was an issue and fixed them.

This guy doesn't think there is any issues and doesn't have any plans to fix them. Hell, he hasn't even fired Joey Jones yet.

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

He almost and should've beat Bama that November. Best game plan I've ever seen him throw out there. Mullen wasn't gone until right before the egg bowl.

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We almost certainly beat AL that year without the screw job we got from the SEC officials.