Opening Day - Choke those Dirty Buzzards edition - MSU at USM

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1. Luke Reynolds SLG% in 2015- .370 Michael Smith SLG% in 2015 .333 Smith had only four less extra base hits in about 75 less PA's. Reynolds was hitting .154 going into the Arkansas series that year and basically got white hot against LSU and Ole Miss and that's why his average is inflated- due to a small sample size. All our fans see is the bottom line and think he is some hitting machine.

2. I'm sure Cohen has gotten some e-mails about it from people like you though. It's pretty unlikely that he would just bring it up- which he hasn't done with the first baseman at Auburn Dylan Ingram who has performed much better than Reynolds.

3. If you are a baseball player you take the SEC team every time. Alabama currently has six players in MLB. USM has produced seven MLB players ALL TIME.

4. But he's not entitled and is obviously a hard worker.**

5. Good night.

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1. You insult the intelligence of our fans a lot. There are several on here who know exactly why he hit over .300 and for you to claim it was a 6 game hit streak and that is all insults us.

2. Never emailed a coach. Do not know why he brought it up.

3. Maybe so.

4. The fact you think a kid going to a school with a place for him makes him entitled is interesting.

5. Hope you slept well. What you think small does today?

What is it with the Lukes around MSU baseball that make them so polarizing? Usually it is Luke Alexander that creates these debates, but Luke Reynolds has taken LA?s spot lol

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

In 2016, we lost 10-6 and 4-0 to a Florida Atlantic team at Dudy Noble Field to start the season 1-2. I think that year turned out okay. They also beat Hudson. So I would chill with the sky is falling after one game. Southern Miss is a better team then Florida Atlantic and we are playing them at their place not the Dude. Perspective...

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Let's not confuse things with logic. +1

When you consider usm scored 4 runs in 6 ip with 7 hits against our best pitcher and one of our best arms, it is obviously Luke Reynolds is a hitter bc he is their 3-hole hitter. The guy can hit... he has destroyed sec pitching going back to hit time here once he got acclimated to div 1 baseball. I think he will be all conf USA this season

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Originally Posted by confucius say

1. You insult the intelligence of our fans a lot. There are several on here who know exactly why he hit over .300 and for you to claim it was a 6 game hit streak and that is all insults us.

2. Never emailed a coach. Do not know why he brought it up.

3. Maybe so.

4. The fact you think a kid going to a school with a place for him makes him entitled is interesting.

5. Hope you slept well. What you think small does today?

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The six game hit streak is what it is. It's not something I pulled out of my ass. He was below the Mendoza line most of his career and then he got hot. It's in black and white.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

When you consider usm scored 4 runs in 6 ip with 7 hits against our best pitcher and one of our best arms, it is obviously Luke Reynolds is a hitter bc he is their 3-hole hitter. The guy can hit... he has destroyed sec pitching going back to hit time here once he got acclimated to div 1 baseball. I think he will be all conf USA this season

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It's obvious he's a C-USA player with a chip on his shoulder. If he's that great how come Cohen cut him? How come Butch didn't take him at Auburn? How come Mingione wouldn't take him at Kentucky?

Do you really think Cohen just cut a guy who was a good hitter just because?

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So people don't think I'm "insulting their intelligence".

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's obvious he's a C-USA player with a chip on his shoulder. If he's that great how come Cohen cut him? How come Butch didn't take him at Auburn? How come Mingione wouldn't take him at Kentucky?

Do you really think Cohen just cut a guy who was a good hitter just because?

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No idea. Perhaps, just perhaps, Cohen (like all men) is not perfect and messed up.

I am a little confused by your cusa slight. Are you saying none of usm guys are good enough for us? If so, that is beyond ridiculous

ETA... I am a huge Cohen fan too, so I am not in any way trying to rip cohen

I just shouldn't have read the melt by you naysayers poor mouth, live in the dark that don't get out of the house on message boards.

One game and the first one is insane, adjustments will be made, we lost some talent last year. Usm isn't a bad team, this weekend is there CWS.

Cann will survive not like some of you, before you folks give up on this team and season, maybe some should step away for a day or two.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

No idea. Perhaps, just perhaps, Cohen (like all men) is not perfect and messed up.

I am a little confused by your cusa slight. Are you saying none of usm guys are good enough for us? If so, that is beyond ridiculous

ETA... I am a huge Cohen fan too, so I am not in any way trying to rip cohen

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OK Matt Wallner could play for anyone in the SEC. There are exceptions but most of them can't play in the SEC. It is what it is.

It's not a Cohen thing for me. It's a guy that didn't do what he was supposed to do got cut but somehow it's a mistake on our part because he learned a lesson and got better for it. I just don't like MSU fans bashing MSU because of something that wasn't MSU's fault. Especially since a lot of those same fans will probably bash our current players at some point and all they do is look at a stat line without taking everything else into consideration. But at the same time they'll contradict themselves by wanting to keep a player who we justifyingly cut because he's "a good kid"? WTF?

That's what it is. But our idiot fans will keep glorifying this guy. The same guy that was so great that neither of his own two former assistant coaches would take. Or Alabama who had a coach who has massive connections at Hinds where he used to play before MSU and could have used him but still didn't take him. But he goes to the first place that has a guaranteed spot for him- and takes the easier way. Which is fine- that's his business. But don't expect me to bash MSU for that.

Hope that clears things up.

What time is the game today? Thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

What time is the game today? Thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The six game hit streak is what it is. It's not something I pulled out of my ass. He was below the Mendoza line most of his career and then he got hot. It's in black and white.

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What you pulled out of your ass is that the 6 game hit streak was the reason he hit over .300. He tore it up over two months.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's obvious he's a C-USA player with a chip on his shoulder. If he's that great how come Cohen cut him? How come Butch didn't take him at Auburn? How come Mingione wouldn't take him at Kentucky?

Do you really think Cohen just cut a guy who was a good hitter just because?

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He may be. But still better than Michael smith.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

What you pulled out of your ass is that the 6 game hit streak was the reason he hit over .300. He tore it up over two months.

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Also had a .439 obp. Struck out 22 times and walked 21. Pretty impressive

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

OK Matt Wallner could play for anyone in the SEC. There are exceptions but most of them can't play in the SEC. It is what it is.

It's not a Cohen thing for me. It's a guy that didn't do what he was supposed to do got cut but somehow it's a mistake on our part because he learned a lesson and got better for it. I just don't like MSU fans bashing MSU because of something that wasn't MSU's fault. Especially since a lot of those same fans will probably bash our current players at some point and all they do is look at a stat line without taking everything else into consideration. But at the same time they'll contradict themselves by wanting to keep a player who we justifyingly cut because he's "a good kid"? WTF?

That's what it is. But our idiot fans will keep glorifying this guy. The same guy that was so great that neither of his own two former assistant coaches would take. Or Alabama who had a coach who has massive connections at Hinds where he used to play before MSU and could have used him but still didn't take him. But he goes to the first place that has a guaranteed spot for him- and takes the easier way. Which is fine- that's his business. But don't expect me to bash MSU for that.

Hope that clears things up.

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Hey Todd, do you know for a fact Reynolds tried to get on with KY, AU & AL and all 3 turned him down? just wondering. Are you saying the team that just kicked the shit out of us has no players good enough to play in the SEC? I think Cohen made a mistake cutting Reynolds. All great coaches make mistakes sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

OK Matt Wallner could play for anyone in the SEC. There are exceptions but most of them can't play in the SEC. It is what it is.

It's not a Cohen thing for me. It's a guy that didn't do what he was supposed to do got cut but somehow it's a mistake on our part because he learned a lesson and got better for it. I just don't like MSU fans bashing MSU because of something that wasn't MSU's fault. Especially since a lot of those same fans will probably bash our current players at some point and all they do is look at a stat line without taking everything else into consideration. But at the same time they'll contradict themselves by wanting to keep a player who we justifyingly cut because he's "a good kid"? WTF?

That's what it is. But our idiot fans will keep glorifying this guy. The same guy that was so great that neither of his own two former assistant coaches would take. Or Alabama who had a coach who has massive connections at Hinds where he used to play before MSU and could have used him but still didn't take him. But he goes to the first place that has a guaranteed spot for him- and takes the easier way. Which is fine- that's his business. But don't expect me to bash MSU for that.

Hope that clears things up.

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Bohannon and Ostrander both tried to get him, fyi.

And I could not care less what kind of kid he is. I am a huge Cohen guy, but he made a mistake. Reynolds > Smith.

Again, the fact that nobody agrees with you on this doesn?t make all of us ?idiot fans.? When you are the only one taking a position, it is usually wrong. But i am not going to convince you I know. So I am done.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I won't argue with patience. Haven't seen me say this is going to be a great team. Starting 3 true fr is a recipe for disaster. But with all that said, One game doesn't make it that way. We will scrap and claw and be a good club and be as good as our pitching takes us

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Agree that we need to keep our expectations in check for this team. Starting 3 true freshmen is almost unheard of for us. And while they are talented I'm sure, they certainly aren't the Raffy Palmeiro level true freshman that can come in here and hit .400+ in their first year. If any of them hit over .300 that would be a big bonus. Add to that the fact that another one of starters playing SS was benched last year due to lack of production at the plate. We certainly need pitching to carry this team, at least early on, but giving up 11 runs on opening day is not a good start for that.

Usm won 50 games last season. They returned a strong core. Losing by 11 was a shock. Thought Pilk would match their AA pitcher very well. Reynolds struggled at State but judging from last night, has matured into a good college baseball player. Hopefully Small can give us a good outing and we can produce some runs today.

Damn- looks like we are going 0-60

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Originally Posted by confucius say

What you pulled out of your ass is that the 6 game hit streak was the reason he hit over .300. He tore it up over two months.

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April to May = 2 months?

I'm the one pulling things out of my ass? And that's not even counting Smith's BA that you obviously made up too.

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Originally Posted by Bully13

Hey Todd, do you know for a fact Reynolds tried to get on with KY, AU & AL and all 3 turned him down? just wondering. Are you saying the team that just kicked the shit out of us has no players good enough to play in the SEC? I think Cohen made a mistake cutting Reynolds. All great coaches make mistakes sometimes.

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I'm saying they didn't ask. And if he's that good why didn't he go? I think we just got beat by a team on the road by a team highly motivated to beat us. USM is a good program. But look at their record against us the past few years and make your conclusion. It's not much different than UCF beating Auburn. Which program is better long term? It happens in baseball. Just like when LSU losing to Tulane- which program is better overall and has better players overall. Being better on one day or one weekend doesn't mean a program or team is better in baseball in the big picture.

Just like USM was better when we played them in Jackson last year but then we improved and were the better team by the end of the year.

We'll just have to disagree about Cohen making a mistake.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Bohannon and Ostrander both tried to get him, fyi.

And I could not care less what kind of kid he is. I am a huge Cohen guy, but he made a mistake. Reynolds > Smith.

Again, the fact that nobody agrees with you on this doesn?t make all of us ?idiot fans.? When you are the only one taking a position, it is usually wrong. But i am not going to convince you I know. So I am done.

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That's bullshit because Bohannon wasn't at Alabama last year and he was already at USM and sure wasn't going to sit out again.

Just because others don't think I'm right doesn't mean I'm wrong. And just because others don't agree it doesn't mean I'm going to go along with it.

I'm sorry your friend didn't make the team. He should have worked harder.

And he'll even yesterday- who made USM's only error? Everyone's favorite Golden Eagle. And that doesn't count the bunt single that Jake got on him for a hit. Wonder why Jake choose him to bunt at.

Not keeping Reynolds was 100% a mistake- can't really be argued at this point.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

April to May = 2 months?

I'm the one pulling things out of my ass? And that's not even counting Smith's BA that you obviously made up too.

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April and May. Yes, two months.

And smith hit .208 and .214. Literally the lowest avg on the team.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm saying they didn't ask. And if he's that good why didn't he go? I think we just got beat by a team on the road by a team highly motivated to beat us. USM is a good program. But look at their record against us the past few years and make your conclusion. It's not much different than UCF beating Auburn. Which program is better long term? It happens in baseball. Just like when LSU losing to Tulane- which program is better overall and has better players overall. Being better on one day or one weekend doesn't mean a program or team is better in baseball in the big picture.

Just like USM was better when we played them in Jackson last year but then we improved and were the better team by the end of the year.

We'll just have to disagree about Cohen making a mistake.

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Actually 2 of the 3 did inquire. I do not know if they actually offered.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's bullshit because Bohannon wasn't at Alabama last year and he was already at USM and sure wasn't going to sit out again.

Just because others don't think I'm right doesn't mean I'm wrong. And just because others don't agree it doesn't mean I'm going to go along with it.

I'm sorry your friend didn't make the team. He should have worked harder.

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I did not say bohannon or ostrander were at Bama when they tried to get him.

And I?ve never even met Reynolds. I do know several people who know him though, fwiw.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And he'll even yesterday- who made USM's only error? Everyone's favorite Golden Eagle. And that doesn't count the bunt single that Jake got on him for a hit. Wonder why Jake choose him to bunt at.

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He is not good defensively, no doubt. Heck of a left handed option to DH or pinch hit though. Which we really could have used at DH against righties seeing as though when hump DH he was atrocious against righties.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

April and May. Yes, two months.

And smith hit .208 and .214. Literally the lowest avg on the team.

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April 26- May 26 is not two months.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

He is not good defensively, no doubt. Heck of a left handed option to DH or pinch hit though. Which we really could have used at DH against righties seeing as though when hump DH he was atrocious against righties.

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And then who plays defense? That's the thing that gets missed.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Actually 2 of the 3 did inquire. I do not know if they actually offered.

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If they did offer and he chose USM he didn't make a wise choice. I highly doubt they did. Ostrander was at La Tech I believe before he went to Alabama so that's obviously not a SEC offer.

We just have terrible coaching and players. Can’t hang with southern miss. They are a top notch team who will no doubt go to Omaha. We just have to focus on the next team on the schedule and hang this series up!

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Originally Posted by YurdMe

We just have terrible coaching and players. Can’t hang with southern miss. They are a top notch team who will no doubt go to Omaha. We just have to focus on the next team on the schedule and hang this series up!

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Hope you had fun here while you could

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And then who plays defense? That's the thing that gets missed.

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I have no problem with a sub par defensive player as long as he drives in more than he lets thru. cutting him was a mistake then and in hindsight even a worse mistake. especially considering how offensively weak we are. if any of those coaches turned him down, they made mistakes too.

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Originally Posted by vv83

Hope you had fun here while you could

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Just saying what everyone knows is true but doesn’t wanna be the one to say it bud.

For me Reid Humphries vs Bobby Dalbec of Arizona was a Gene Morgan moment for MSU baseball. A tragedy that cost us a National Championship.

A dude that could not hit right-handers, especially a quality starter for a great team like Arizona. Plus, he was a make-believe OF.

We have Rooker in Left Field and (Left-handed hitter) Luke Reynolds as DH, I don't kink we lose that damn game. I know that it cannot be proven, but I think Reynolds gives us 4 competitive ABs rather than what Humphreys gave us that day (0-4 with 3Ks). Plus, Rooker catches the fly ball that Humphreys dropped.

The above is the perspective of a baseball fan, with no pedigree or specialized knowledge of the game, my specialty is message board conspiracy theories

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Originally Posted by Bully13

I have no problem with a sub par defensive player as long as he drives in more than he lets thru. cutting him was a mistake then and in hindsight even a worse mistake. especially considering how offensively weak we are. if any of those coaches turned him down, they made mistakes too.

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Well he would have graduated by now had he stayed so that is moot. I would say sub par is being nice.

Same shit different person. Guy is great until he costs us a game in the field and then it's the guy sucks and is a singles hitter who should have been cut. Guy goes to USM plays motivated and gets a couple of hits and all of a sudden it's a "100% mistake".

35 mins to first pitch... we should just let this thread die.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

For me Reid Humphries vs Bobby Dalbec of Arizona was a Gene Morgan moment for MSU baseball. A tragedy that cost us a National Championship.

A dude that could not hit right-handers, especially a quality starter for a great team like Arizona. Plus, he was a make-believe OF.

We have Rooker in Left Field and (Left-handed hitter) Luke Reynolds as DH, I don't kink we lose that damn game. I know that it cannot be proven, but I think Reynolds gives us 4 competitive ABs rather than what Humphreys gave us that day (0-4 with 3Ks). Plus, Rooker catches the fly ball that Humphreys dropped.

The above is the perspective of a baseball fan, with no pedigree or specialized knowledge of the game, my specialty is message board conspiracy theories

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My conjecture is Cohen would have played Cody Brown over Reynolds. Probably. And Cody is a reason why Luke was expendable. And cutting Cody Brown would have 100% been a mistake.