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that's what the beer is forQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
No thanks... it's bourbon time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Yea, and the refs must have just been looking for a way to bail Baylor out because I don't think Harris ever actually got hold of the ball. Huge call though because a 5 sec count would have given us the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Tequila. Straight. Well Tequila too. We don't deserve good tequilaQuote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
It wasn't a jump ball. You either call the foul there or 5 seconds. Harris never had any sort of possession of the ball. They also bailed them out on the previous possession because Jones didn't foul Edgecombe. Matthews just stole the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
No doubt he's a defensive liability and always will be........He might improve some defensively but I don't see him getting any better offensively.........He's the same player now he was last year and will be the same player next year he is this year......Yeah, I'd like to know the number of points he gave up tonight but it's probably less than he scored........
Agree. That wasn't a jump ballQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
It's beyond ridiculous that we haven't gotten past the 1st round of the tournament since Stansbury. I'm frustrated as hell but proud the guys fought back the way they did. It's gonna be a long off season
We got a gift on the Harris 3 foul though
I'll give us this, we could've rolled over when it got to 10 but we fought. I just look back at those two 3s missed by Kugel and Hubbard when we were down 5 with the ball. If either of those fall I think we win, because they immediately went down and got buckets both times.
I was just about to say Harris cost us late, but his 3 FTs were a big reason we had a chance at the end. Still absolutely hate him taking that shot. I really think he panicked and thought there was less time than there was. We had Kugel cutting to the corner and was going to be open. He was 3-3 on the corner 3 today.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The fact we are absolutely horrid on defense makes me kinda pissed we didn't use clary. Any dip from our terrible defense woulda been offset by having an actual ball handler that can score.
ETa... season, not just today
Once Jans played the right 5 guys, we were better than Baylor. Couldn't get out of the hole we dug ourselves at the end of the first half.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Too many turnovers and too many offensive rebounds.
I have a feeling we going straight 2023/2024 state/2025 aTm next season. All D and hope we can score enough to win.
i'm on a diet and i need volume of drinksQuote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Might as well because apparently the Jans D doesn't work without some REALLY good defenders. This double teaming and leaving people wide ass open is for the birds. And then today nobody could rebound so Baylor just got shot after shot on their end.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Seriously, will we ever have anything to really feel good about with a male MSU sport ever again? In this current environment I'm really beginning to wonder.
Steps to big success here...Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
1. Pick baseball or MBK.
2. Pour 75% of our NIL funds, along with get the fanbase bought in this and up their giving for a season.
3. Hope it works bc it's our only prayer
Don't go look at the stats. It'll piss you off all over again.
Baylor: 43.5% from the field
State: 50.00% from the field
Baylor: 6/25 from 3
State: 10/29 from 3
Baylor: 9 TOs
State: 14 TOs
Baylor: 15 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS
State: 7 Offensive Rebounds
Then pick basketball. Don't pick a non revenue sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It would be my choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Hubbard scored but got abused on D
Played soft for almost the entire game
Should have played more zone- they killed us driving to the basket
Murphy getting the 2 fouls early really hurt
Missed too many open shots
I would have called a TO to set up something for Hubbard or a 2nd option in an attempt to get a better look at the end
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I’m not gonna dog Hubbard, what really hurt today was we couldn’t get help defending the driving inside, got killed on Baylor getting offensive rebounds and the biggie was costly turnovers.
Without Hubbard we get by double digits, his defense didn’t cost us the game. Hope we don’t lose him next year.
In the 2nd half Hubbard stopped shooting for about. Why?
Hubbard not shooting the last shot is coaching malpractice .
People dogging Hubbard is typical of State fans.
Crazy, yes.
But typical.
Since Hubbard will be back next season, maybe it's time to really learn to play zone
Listened to some of Jans press conference and honestly kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Said making the tournament was a big deal and then basically stated reasons why we should've gone further when trying to say why it was their goal to make it. I mean yea you made it and it's a lot better than the end of Stans, Ray, or Howland eras but you were in a conference that put 14 of the 16 teams in the tournament and a couple got in just because they were in the conference. Your goal should've been to win a game in the tourney and then let the chips fall where they may. We fell short of that goal. To take the next step, you're goal has to be to win in the tournament. I think Jans is still thinking like a mid major coach.
Is Hubbard defense really being blamed for this loss?
Really?
Really?
Insanity
Jans said in the postgame that the play is supposed to be designed for Hubbard to hand it off and then get a dribble handoff screen from Harris. Harris panicked and shot it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Where are you seeing it? I haven't seen anyone blaming him. Heck, he was the only reason we were able to hang around long enough to have a chance at the end. He had half our points until like the 10 minute mark of the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Sorry I was seeing in the ?Hubbard got abused on D?
And
?We should consider paying zone if we keep Hubbard?
Thoughts
I mean we do have to consider some of that because Hubbard did get hunted today. He's a defensive liability. But his offense is so good that you live with.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Basket is more of a team sport, chemistry is so important, I think with NIL and portal it’s very hard unless you can sign 2 or3 good freshmen. It’s much easier with elite blue bloods.
In saying this our team chemistry sucked.
I saw several getting “hunted today”. Baylor driving time after time and offensive rebounding was a major flaw today.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Oh it wasn't just Hubbard today. They hunted Harris multiple possessions as well. They hunted Melendez a bit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I think Jans had the right idea in what type of roster he was trying to build I just think Kugel being an absolute headcase and Melendez regression over course of season was biggest reasons for the downfalls.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Harris was a good get and so was Nwoko. On paper and when he is on Kigel was a fantastic get and Melendez was a dawg at start of year. I mean it is up to him to get their potential out of them but he had the right vision. In NIL era it is looking like the character of player is just as or more important than their talent and physical tools.
That Cam foul at the 1 min mark really messed us up. I thought it was a clean steal. Hubbard taking the inbound with only ~12 seconds seemed odd to me. Why not set him up for the shot off a pass? He is a great catch and shoot guy.
Not even really depressed on this one. We were an inconsistent team with no identity all year long. I really think they underachieved. We had 3 good big guys, 2 guards who can 'shoot' and a 3 who can drive and play D.
ETA: We really needed a true PG this year.
We were really awful to end the year and Jans needs to own it rather than just trying to make us feel good we got in. Didn't win anything after the A&M game other than beating an LSU team twice that had essentially quit. One of the most disappointing ends to a season I can remember.
Seems like Melendez lost it after the ankle sprain (FL game?).Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell