Selmon needs to act or get fired

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11-12-2023, 10:33 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm not going thru all that Todd but we lost 7 starters on D and now the D is bad

We lost RaRa and others on offense as we have transitioned from the pure AR- so its bad also.

aGAIN- we lost draft picks and others to the portal. We arent the team we were last year. Nobody projected to be drafted for the first time since 2009

That's still on the current coaching staff because we didn't target replacements in the portal and we kept the vast majority of the defensive coaches. So we grossly misevaluated our own talent and didn't develop it.

And we have four 4 star receivers on our roster- Tulu, Zavion, Robinson, and Creed. And a 4 star RB plus a 3 star QB that has a lot of passing records. But Woody McBarbay can't figure out how to make it work because he has to get a freshman o-line prospect on the field playing TE and Goede who hasn't really contributed much.

Even Emmanuel Forbes called this team soft and he played on the team last year.
11-12-2023, 10:34 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

I know. Just want you to know how I felt. I don't mean to lump you into the bucket of other frustrated fans

Gotcha. All good !
11-12-2023, 10:36 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Again, this is NOT going to happen no matter if we fired him in sept. Just isn't. But I'm done saying it and will wait for the meltdown the sat after the egg when people start saying had we only fired ZA earlier and incorrectly say, we would already have our coach. Smdh

Firing Arnett now and hiring the new coach are two completely separate things. I think most of our fans get that.
11-12-2023, 10:37 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by SPMT

Those ?whiny ass? fans are the ones who give money. Though not enough. Regardless, those whiny ass fans are the only reason there is a sport called college football. Sports is entertainment at this day and age in college football. Without those whiny ass fans you are back to playing high school at a higher level, like the old days. So, if admin don?t get that then they can get 17d. The days of school pride are second nature o entertainment value and our product sucks.

And they're the vast majority in the stands. And with NIL they actually have more of a stake in it than ever before. Even if it is only a small fraction of what Richard Adkerson donates.
11-12-2023, 10:38 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Firing Arnett now and hiring the new coach are two completely separate things. I think most of our fans get that.

Naw, there have been several stating that doing it now will allow us to lock up our new coach to announce that Sunday after the EB.
11-12-2023, 10:38 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Firing Arnett now and hiring the new coach are two completely separate things. I think most of our fans get that.

Well you along w Q clearly haven't read numerous people on this board saying otherwise. But carry on
11-12-2023, 10:40 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well you along w Q clearly haven't read numerous people on this board saying otherwise. But carry on

I've been all over this board today and don't remember anyone saying that, much less "numerous" but OK whatever. There are going to be at least a few wrong people on both sides of an argument.
11-12-2023, 10:42 PM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm not going thru all that Todd but we lost 7 starters on D and now the D is bad

We lost RaRa and others on offense as we have transitioned from the pure AR- so its bad also.

aGAIN- we lost draft picks and others to the portal. We arent the team we were last year. Nobody projected to be drafted for the first time since 2009

Get that, but I?ll give you an example of a team with little to no talent. Mullen?s first year. QB was Tyson Lee.

That team was not talented but would fight, play hard etc. you could tell something was brewing.

Your eyes could see it. This team would lose even if the talent was A&M level, I.e. highly compensated first round players.
11-12-2023, 10:44 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Naw, there have been several stating that doing it now will allow us to lock up our new coach to announce that Sunday after the EB.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well you along w Q clearly haven't read numerous people on this board saying otherwise. But carry on

I may have missed that- but if I did I will be there along with you two talking them down about the hiring timeline. That's not even really a factor with me anyway personally.
11-12-2023, 10:45 PM
Todd4State

Another reason to fire Arnett now is in case we back into a bowl at 5-7. Then what?

Do we have to wait a month then?

Or is it "Oh darn it. It's too late and we had to keep our 50th ranked recruiting class together. Gotta wait another year!"
11-12-2023, 10:47 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Another reason to fire Arnett now is in case we back into a bowl at 5-7. Then what?

Do we have to wait a month then?

Or is it "Oh darn it. It's too late and we had to keep our 50th ranked recruiting class together. Gotta wait another year!"

By the time that we would figure out that we were going to ba bowl at 5-7, cza Will no longer be here. Bottom line is , people are scared that Selmon is gonna f this up and not fire him period. This the panic of it has to happen today.
11-12-2023, 10:50 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

By the time that we would figure out that we were going to ba bowl at 5-7, cza Will no longer be here. Bottom line is , people are scared that Selmon is gonna f this up and not fire him period. This the panic of it has to happen today.

It seems pretty foolish to not be at least a little bit scared of that, right?

However, the real "bottom line" is that people (correctly, I would say, though some may disagree) think that we have a better chance of winning each of our last 2 games without Arnett than with him. If I didn't think that, I would ignore all the rest and support keeping him until next Friday.
11-12-2023, 10:53 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It seems pretty foolish to not be at least a little bit scared of that, right?

However, the real "bottom line" is that people (correctly, I would say, though some may disagree) think that we have a better chance of winning each of our last 2 games without Arnett than with him. If I didn't think that, I would ignore all the rest and support keeping him until next Friday.

That's fine for you to have that opinion. Ole miss is so much more talented than us it doesn't matter. But clearly, you have your opinion, which is your right.
11-12-2023, 11:09 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He did. A few posts above that one

Nope. He just said ZA will be fired. He's never said he wants him fired or that he should be fired.

Not that I care mind you. But that's what they want him to say.
11-12-2023, 11:10 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

exactly

No you didn't. Quote it. If I'm wrong and you said you want ZA fired or ZA should be fired, I'll apologize. All I've seen you say is he will be fired.
11-12-2023, 11:15 PM
Quaoarsking

Coach34 could just clear this question up by clearly and unambiguously typing up something along the lines of:

"Zach Arnett's performance in 2023 has been so bad that he should be fired."

But I bet he won't do that because he wants to leave open the possibility of calling for him to be retained after the Egg Bowl and doesn't want that quote out there.
11-12-2023, 11:15 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm not going thru all that Todd but we lost 7 starters on D and now the D is bad

We lost RaRa and others on offense as we have transitioned from the pure AR- so its bad also.

aGAIN- we lost draft picks and others to the portal. We arent the team we were last year. Nobody projected to be drafted for the first time since 2009

I agree with all that. But we're also horribly coached.
11-12-2023, 11:20 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Naw, there have been several stating that doing it now will allow us to lock up our new coach to announce that Sunday after the EB.

I haven't seen anybody say that, and I've read every thread today. But maybe I missed it.
11-13-2023, 12:14 AM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

If you don't go bc we haven't fired ZA yet then and that's your sole reason, you aren't a fan of msu.... bc he's gonna get fired. But do as you wish

Brain dead take.

I'm not going to spend extra time, energy, effort, and money on my school who isn't spending extra time, energy, effort, and money to put out a better product. Calling me not a real fan of msu? Buddy I have multiple degrees and a lifetime of time and money invested into this school.

Me not giving extra in direct response to this school not spending extra is on the school not on me. Absolute brain dead take from you. I'd say I assume you have 0 idea what you were talking about but I know you know better and should have an idea what you're talking about. So please, go back to not being brain dead.
11-13-2023, 12:15 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

By the time that we would figure out that we were going to ba bowl at 5-7, cza Will no longer be here. Bottom line is , people are scared that Selmon is gonna f this up and not fire him period. This the panic of it has to happen today.

A rookie, on the job training, never been an AD firing a rookie, on the job training, never been a HC and then making a successful real HC hire. What could possibly go wrong for us?****

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