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10-05-2023, 05:39 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

You can thank Jared Benko for Leach.

Ummm, do you have any idea who all was on the search committee? Like the ones that went to visit w him? Just curious. And I can assure benko wasn't calling any shots then.
10-05-2023, 06:02 PM
KB21

Hopefully Selmon will get to make the hire without any interference. He has the proper respect for Mike Leach. He?s been around the Air Raid at Oklahoma. He?s been around Lincoln Riley and Bob Stoops, who brought the Air Raid to Oklahoma when he hired Mike Leach.
10-05-2023, 06:05 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Hopefully Selmon will get to make the hire without any interference. He has the proper respect for Mike Leach. He?s been around the Air Raid at Oklahoma. He?s been around Lincoln Riley and Bob Stoops, who brought the Air Raid to Oklahoma when he hired Mike Leach.

That's fine. I don't care if we hire a from the air raid tree. Leach is the only one who threw it that much anyway. But they don't have to run it. That's your problem, you don't care if we win as long as we run the damn AR!! Mind boggling.
10-05-2023, 08:27 PM
Goldendawg

Someone posted CZA is our Matt Luke. If we got 4-8 with a Croom like loss in the EGG, do we have the guts, $, and intelligence at the top levels of our administration to pull the trigger and find our Kiffin? Stadium will be half filled Saturday.
10-05-2023, 08:34 PM
confucius say

Who started the rumor that Brad Peterson is running the football program and calling all the shots? And why did they start said rumor?
10-05-2023, 08:38 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Someone posted CZA is our Matt Luke. If we got 4-8 with a Croom like loss in the EGG, do we have the guts, $, and intelligence at the top levels of our administration to pull the trigger and find our Kiffin? Stadium will be half filled Saturday.

It shouldn't even take that bad to fire Arnett. I would say 6-6 (regardless of the Egg Bowl result) is the minimum for him to come back next year, period.
10-05-2023, 08:38 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Who started the rumor that Brad Peterson is running the football program and calling all the shots? And why did they start said rumor?

Some of it is the optics on the sideline every week.
10-05-2023, 09:29 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

That's fine. I don't care if we hire a from the air raid tree. Leach is the only one who threw it that much anyway. But they don't have to run it. That's your problem, you don't care if we win as long as we run the damn AR!! Mind boggling.

That's never been his stance. His stance has always been that it's the best system for MSU. I could be wrong, but that's all I have seen and remember.
10-05-2023, 09:33 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Well, there is smoke. Looks like a "What we are hearing" topic where the writer is saying the contract Andy Staples releases was correct but all sources say that we are retaining Arnett.
10-05-2023, 09:59 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Well, there is smoke. Looks like a "What we are hearing" topic where the writer is saying the contract Andy Staples releases was correct but all sources say that we are retaining Arnett.

Who is going to say we fire Arnett before even the halfway mark in the season? No damn body
10-05-2023, 10:02 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Who is going to say we fire Arnett before even the halfway mark in the season? No damn body

But he would never lie....... or get it wrong....
10-05-2023, 10:06 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Who is going to say we fire Arnett before even the halfway mark in the season? No damn body

agree. Also, "What we are hearing", sounds like "what the university is telling me to say"
10-05-2023, 10:29 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That's never been his stance. His stance has always been that it's the best system for MSU. I could be wrong, but that's all I have seen and remember.

Nope. Best period. All teams.
10-06-2023, 01:39 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Someone posted CZA is our Matt Luke. If we got 4-8 with a Croom like loss in the EGG, do we have the guts, $, and intelligence at the top levels of our administration to pull the trigger and find our Kiffin? Stadium will be half filled Saturday.

I believe we do. We definitely have the money. Larger issue is who we replace them with- but I have confidence in Selmon until proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It shouldn't even take that bad to fire Arnett. I would say 6-6 (regardless of the Egg Bowl result) is the minimum for him to come back next year, period.

I would fire him for 6-6 with an Egg Bowl win but we all know that won't happen. 6-6 with this team is massively underachieving. This should be a 9-10 win season with competent coaching.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Who started the rumor that Brad Peterson is running the football program and calling all the shots? And why did they start said rumor?

The why is because we need to know who the culprits are so we can fix the program. I'm not sure that Peterson intended to have this much influence though. We're stuck with a coach in over his head who is relying heavily on advice from a guy whose experience is no higher than the high school level. This is all setting up to explain to fans "why" we might have to move on from Arnett after the season which leads me to...

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Who is going to say we fire Arnett before even the halfway mark in the season? No damn body

Exactly. As I said before- I wouldn't believe it if someone told me that at this point even if it was Selmon or Keenum telling it to my face. Still too much season left at this point. It is still conceivable that we could turn this season around. That said- it is interesting that this buyout info came out when it did. It just so happened at a time when we had fans talking about how we had to give Arnett 2-3 years because of a massive buyout that MSU couldn't afford. Which was causing decreased fan morale and it was also causing an extreme lack of confidence in MSU at the administrative level. I didn't know the details of his buyout until this came out but I did know that it wasn't the same as the full value of the entire contract. That would be incredibly insane.
10-06-2023, 06:32 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Exactly. As I said before- I wouldn't believe it if someone told me that at this point even if it was Selmon or Keenum telling it to my face. Still too much season left at this point. It is still conceivable that we could turn this season around. That said- it is interesting that this buyout info came out when it did. It just so happened at a time when we had fans talking about how we had to give Arnett 2-3 years because of a massive buyout that MSU couldn't afford. Which was causing decreased fan morale and it was also causing an extreme lack of confidence in MSU at the administrative level. I didn't know the details of his buyout until this came out but I did know that it wasn't the same as the full value of the entire contract. That would be incredibly insane.

Yeah there have been quite a few people including Jean34 crowing about how the buyout was the full amount; blah, blah, blah. We've gotta keep him cause it's too high for Poor Ole State to pay anyway. As someone else has pointed out, the buyout is structured to where we pay less to fire him this year than next year. Someone, Keenum, Bracky, whomever saw through the facade early. The way that buyout is structured you can't convince me otherwise.
10-06-2023, 07:45 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Nope. Best period. All teams.

Ok. For me, I believe that to not be true. Some teams have the ability with NIL and prestige. TAMU with NIL, BAMA with prestige. How many times has Saban changed the offense? He can put in most systems and neverdrop off in recruitment. TAMU can suck, but they are still going to pay players a crap ton of money.

MSU can not compete with NIL dollars from other schools. Name the uber wealthy people that is tied to MSU? Art Williams? Has he ever given to MSU? He's given to Liberty U. Purchased sports teams...etc. Arkansas has more access to dollars than we do.

So why run a system that will need the same type of QB/Wr/RB/OL/TE as everybody else who is going to get the people they want and we are down the list.

There is a reason why our WR room is packed with 4 star WRs and why it attracted 4 star running back Marks. There is a reason we had 3 4 star QBs that lit it up in HS. Because a QB wants to be show cased, that means attempts. A WR wants to get thrown to. That means attempts. A RB wants to learn how to catch for the NFL.

The NFL is reducing the role of a RB in rushing. The Cowboys(1989) received NINE picks (including three first-round selections) and five players from the Vikings for Herschel Walker. Steelers GM Omar Khan pointed to massive new QB contracts as a reason why RBs are becoming devalued. To his point, the RB franchise tag is worth less now ($10.09 million) than it was in 2015 ($10.95 million) while every other position, including QB ($18.5 million to $32.4 million) has gone up significantly. That's with a salary cap increase from $143 million to $225 million in that span.

Only three RBs accounted for at least 30 percent of their team's scrimmage yards in 2022: Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs and Christian McCaffrey. That number was 12 in 2000. They are getting less touches and they are not a productive in rushing. RB isn't a premium position in a passing league. Those positions would be the players who throw the ball (QB), catch the ball (WR).

Sum it up, RBs have to be a receiving weapon in the NFL. It's Why Marks came here. Stop trying to put the same system in that puts us at yet another disadvantage.
10-06-2023, 07:50 AM
Really Clark?

Black Sails you just wrote novel when all he was stating it has been KB's stance on the AR.
10-06-2023, 07:59 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Ok. For me, I believe that to not be true. Some teams have the ability with NIL and prestige. TAMU with NIL, BAMA with prestige. How many times has Saban changed the offense? He can put in most systems and neverdrop off in recruitment. TAMU can suck, but they are still going to pay players a crap ton of money.

MSU can not compete with NIL dollars from other schools. Name the uber wealthy people that is tied to MSU? Art Williams? Has he ever given to MSU? He's given to Liberty U. Purchased sports teams...etc. Arkansas has more access to dollars than we do.

So why run a system that will need the same type of QB/Wr/RB/OL/TE as everybody else who is going to get the people they want and we are down the list.

There is a reason why our WR room is packed with 4 star WRs and why it attracted 4 star running back Marks. There is a reason we had 3 4 star QBs that lit it up in HS. Because a QB wants to be show cased, that means attempts. A WR wants to get thrown to. That means attempts. A RB wants to learn how to catch for the NFL.

The NFL is reducing the role of a RB in rushing. The Cowboys(1989) received NINE picks (including three first-round selections) and five players from the Vikings for Herschel Walker. Steelers GM Omar Khan pointed to massive new QB contracts as a reason why RBs are becoming devalued. To his point, the RB franchise tag is worth less now ($10.09 million) than it was in 2015 ($10.95 million) while every other position, including QB ($18.5 million to $32.4 million) has gone up significantly. That's with a salary cap increase from $143 million to $225 million in that span.

Only three RBs accounted for at least 30 percent of their team's scrimmage yards in 2022: Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs and Christian McCaffrey. That number was 12 in 2000. They are getting less touches and they are not a productive in rushing. RB isn't a premium position in a passing league. Those positions would be the players who throw the ball (QB), catch the ball (WR).

Sum it up, RBs have to be a receiving weapon in the NFL. It's Why Marks came here. Stop trying to put the same system in that puts us at yet another disadvantage.

Marks committed to Moorhead not Leach.
10-06-2023, 08:09 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Black Sails you just wrote novel when all he was stating it has been KB's stance on the AR.

I did :)

Like I said, there is a reason we are now chasing 3 star QBs that not many other teams are really pushing for. The top 3 QBs in the nation are going to other SEC schools. Out of the 22 5/4 star QBs, we got none. 4 AR schools did. WRs... Even TT got their 5 star.
10-06-2023, 08:22 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Ok. For me, I believe that to not be true. Some teams have the ability with NIL and prestige. TAMU with NIL, BAMA with prestige. How many times has Saban changed the offense? He can put in most systems and neverdrop off in recruitment. TAMU can suck, but they are still going to pay players a crap ton of money.

MSU can not compete with NIL dollars from other schools. Name the uber wealthy people that is tied to MSU? Art Williams? Has he ever given to MSU? He's given to Liberty U. Purchased sports teams...etc. Arkansas has more access to dollars than we do.

So why run a system that will need the same type of QB/Wr/RB/OL/TE as everybody else who is going to get the people they want and we are down the list.

There is a reason why our WR room is packed with 4 star WRs and why it attracted 4 star running back Marks. There is a reason we had 3 4 star QBs that lit it up in HS. Because a QB wants to be show cased, that means attempts. A WR wants to get thrown to. That means attempts. A RB wants to learn how to catch for the NFL.

The NFL is reducing the role of a RB in rushing. The Cowboys(1989) received NINE picks (including three first-round selections) and five players from the Vikings for Herschel Walker. Steelers GM Omar Khan pointed to massive new QB contracts as a reason why RBs are becoming devalued. To his point, the RB franchise tag is worth less now ($10.09 million) than it was in 2015 ($10.95 million) while every other position, including QB ($18.5 million to $32.4 million) has gone up significantly. That's with a salary cap increase from $143 million to $225 million in that span.

Only three RBs accounted for at least 30 percent of their team's scrimmage yards in 2022: Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs and Christian McCaffrey. That number was 12 in 2000. They are getting less touches and they are not a productive in rushing. RB isn't a premium position in a passing league. Those positions would be the players who throw the ball (QB), catch the ball (WR).

Sum it up, RBs have to be a receiving weapon in the NFL. It's Why Marks came here. Stop trying to put the same system in that puts us at yet another disadvantage.

Yep, and of those RBs, McCaffrey gets a good portion of his numbers via the passing game for the 49ers. I think he had somewhere around 52 receptions in 11 games last year. 38% of his total yards came via the passing game, and that was on around 24% of his touches. Look at how Miami is using Devon Achane.

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