I think we may be making a change...

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He also has a generational QB who is doing some unbelievable things that could make anyone look like a genius. I mean, he may be good in time but he needs to be THE OC first and show me what he can do with say Myles Brennan before I totally buy in to him.

Right now I think MSU needs someone that will actually build a program and knows how to do that. Someone like Napier who is from Saban's tree because there is a track record of his assistants going to other schools and following the same "program" blueprint successfully. Smart, Pruitt, McElwain won a couple of SEC East titles and left them in good shape. Or someone like Hud that is really invested in the program where we can hire elite coordinators which is what LSU did- and Clemson did with Dabo- who will recruit well and manage the program like a CEO.

We were trying to outsmart everyone with Moorhead. It would be the same with Brady.

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Moorhead was just a bad hire. Mullen was a great hire. Both were coordinators. Again, I really think it's a moot point, but I'm just saying I personally would be pumped with Brady.

I have concerns about Naiper's system. His track record as a head coach isn't that long. Bill Clark is kind of a boring hire. Hud is where he needs to be. We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not that i think Hud would be a HR, but our best coach on campus was unsuccessful at Sam Houston st.

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Exactly. People learn from their failures sometimes. And the thing is Hud failed because of his rogue assistant which he will be unable to hire at MSU if he ever gets our job. It wasn't a "learning" thing as far as on the field coaching goes.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

About Brady, I wonder if the new bengals' HC tries to get him as OC

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interesting thought. Very possible.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Money talks

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Same way a coach who got fired from Ole Miss was a home run for LSU.

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I'm not doubting that a Hud hire COULD be seen as a homerun a few years down the road. I'm just saying it'd be a stretch to call it that at this juncture.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I had people yelling at my ass during games the last 2 seasons- and we set school records at both schools.

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I heard them yelling at you. They were bitching about you coaching in shorts, running your 5'-4" 125 pound tailback up the middle, and you having your kids on the sideline talking to the starting QB about going to Bumpers after the game.

Just kidding of course.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We would have to release them from their LOI's if they wanted to sign elsewhere.

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They can only request a release, it would up to us to grant it. They can appeal it to the NCAA which will take about 2 months or more. The rule is designed for signees when a school suddenly go on probation or other issues but specifically states that a coaching change is not a reason to guarantee a granted release. That up to the school

We need someone who actually knows how to be a head coach and oversee the program. Joe Brady would come in and focus on his offense and we would have all the same problems we already have.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Keenum wasnt happy about the fight BS making the school look bad also

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If that's the case, why didn't he tell Moorhead to suspend both players for the bowl game? That would have saved some face. Shrader may have been suspended (although I believe Moorhead said there were "no suspensions" when asked), although he didn't look all that injured.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I heard them yelling at you. They were bitching about you coaching in shorts, running your 5'-4" 125 pound tailback up the middle, and you having your kids on the sideline talking to the starting QB about going to Bumpers after the game.

Just kidding of course.

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Hell I thought you were talking about mullen. Wearing shorts during game, running Holloway up the middle.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Moorhead was just a bad hire. Mullen was a great hire. Both were coordinators. Again, I really think it's a moot point, but I'm just saying I personally would be pumped with Brady.

I have concerns about Naiper's system. His track record as a head coach isn't that long. Bill Clark is kind of a boring hire. Hud is where he needs to be. We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Are you talking about his offense? His program is the same one that Saban has used at Alabama which is what Napier learned when he was the WR coach there. It encompasses recruiting strategy, S&C, academics, and football. Once Appalachain State's team graduates out after 2020 ULL will take over as the best team in the Sun Belt. They're pretty close as it is. App State is an anomaly just like Joe Burrow is. They have a special team for them for this year and next.

I think Bill Clark would be a bad hire. He has players on his team in the 23-24 year old range because their program got shut down. His offense is probably worse than Joe's and has been shut down from time to time and is very boring. He has also been in Alabama his entire career and has never really coached in the SEC. He's the "know your place MSU" hire that people like Paul Finebaum expect us to make.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Money talks

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You act like we are the only school that can pay 4 million dollars. Money does not talk if that coach has other options.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Hell I thought you were talking about mullen. Wearing shorts during game, running Holloway up the middle.

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You picked that up quickly. And Stansbury with the kids on the sideline.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Same way a coach who got fired from Ole Miss was a home run for LSU.

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He still can't coach. Just having OC and HC who can with four and five stars all over the field is what making him look like a genius. The only thing he only do is say go tiga's to the ESPN sideline reporter.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I heard them yelling at you. They were bitching about you coaching in shorts, running your 5'-4" 125 pound tailback up the middle, and you having your kids on the sideline talking to the starting QB about going to Bumpers after the game.

Just kidding of course.

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I thought that was Yancy and McCready?**

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If that's the case, why didn't he tell Moorhead to suspend both players for the bowl game? That would have saved some face. Shrader may have been suspended (although I believe Moorhead said there were "no suspensions" when asked), although he didn't look all that injured.

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Keenum and Cohen aren't going to micromanage like that.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you talking about his offense? His program is the same one that Saban has used at Alabama which is what Napier learned when he was the WR coach there. It encompasses recruiting strategy, S&C, academics, and football. Once Appalachain State's team graduates out after 2020 ULL will take over as the best team in the Sun Belt. They're pretty close as it is. App State is an anomaly just like Joe Burrow is. They have a special team for them for this year and next.

I think Bill Clark would be a bad hire. He has players on his team in the 23-24 year old range because their program got shut down. His offense is probably worse than Joe's and has been shut down from time to time and is very boring. He has also been in Alabama his entire career and has never really coached in the SEC. He's the "know your place MSU" hire that people like Paul Finebaum expect us to make.

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Yes, his offense. Reminds me of a poor man's Gus Malzahn.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I thought that was Yancy and McCready?**

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Would've been moans, in that case.***

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If that's the case, why didn't he tell Moorhead to suspend both players for the bowl game? That would have saved some face. Shrader may have been suspended (although I believe Moorhead said there were "no suspensions" when asked), although he didn't look all that injured.

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Sometime you let an employee make a decision to see what they are going to do in situations.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

He still can't coach. Just having OC and HC who can with four and five stars all over the field is what making him look like a genius. The only thing he only do is say go tiga's to the ESPN sideline reporter.

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That's true. But that's the thing- he doesn't HAVE to coach as much because his OC and DC are among the best in the business and they do it for him. O on the other hand is the CEO and he is good with recruiting. He also handles discipline, the media, and etc. and because he's not worried as much about the scheme he is free to do those things and it doesn't take away from the team.