4.5 point favorites WITH Weatherspoon against a directional school?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our shooting is going to have to get alot better to make the NCAA Tourney. We don't shoot it well or take good shots.

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FG% before today was 48.1%, ranked 35th among the 350 teams in the NCAA. Today's 41.2% performance knocks it down to 47.47%, which would fall to around 50 in the rankings. We may not be a tourney team come year end, but at this point I don't think that's accurate. Unless you're referring to 3 point %, which we're only ranked 102 in and could be much worse.

IMO, if we miss the tourney it's because we allow teams that we should physically overpower to impose their will on us with their on-ball pressure and take us out of our offensive sets. We're too strong physically to get bullied like we do in the half-court.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our shooting is going to have to get alot better to make the NCAA Tourney. We don't shoot it well or take good shots.

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15+ turnovers per game is too many. Several are unforced. We get called for more illegal screens than any team in the country.

Tyson is shooting 31% from 3 so that is really hurting us. He needs to be in the 36-38% range.

My main complaint with Howland is his inability to change defenses. NM St clearly wanted to slow this game down and we let them. Should have played some full court or 3/4 court press to change the tempo but it's not in Howland's DNA for whatever reason. Just doesn't have it in his toolbox to teach in practice I guess.

We shot 41% today
We shot 46% against Radford
We shot 39% against K-State
We shot 47% against La Tech

Thats just not shooting the ball real well. It's not awful- but it's not good. And when the SEC gets here- those percentages arent likely to boost. Hopefully Nick returning will help cut down on the turnovers which hurt when coupled with average shooting. Alot of teams will get better once they get into conference play because of the hard schedules they play OOC- wont be the case for us.

Hell, even Vic has played zone this year.

Nick was really bad today. About the polar opposite of what most were hoping his return would bring.

Shooting % seems like a detail that misses the forrest for the trees. We are a below average shooting team and yeah we'd be a better team if we shot better (who wouldn't?).

But the reality is we lack any kind of plan on O, we aren't well coached enough to be quick mentally enough to ever be elite on D, we don't have good gameplans going in and we don't adjust well in game, our energy comes and goes both within games and from game to game, player development is mediocre at best, and we don't play "clean" ball in the sense that we sometimes forget to block out or rotate or get back in transition and that sloppiness costs us 10+ points a game vs well coached teams.

We have so many problems and each one will prevent us from getting to our potential so I don't really see the shooting % as a big deal itself

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Nick was really bad today. About the polar opposite of what most were hoping his return would bring.

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Anyone that expected him to immediately click isn't that smart. He'll need a few games to get back in the grove and reestablish chemistry

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Shooting % seems like a detail that misses the forrest for the trees. We are a below average shooting team and yeah we'd be a better team if we shot better (who wouldn't?).

But the reality is we lack any kind of plan on O, we aren't well coached enough to be quick mentally enough to ever be elite on D, we don't have good gameplans going in and we don't adjust well in game, our energy comes and goes both within games and from game to game, player development is mediocre at best, and we don't play "clean" ball in the sense that we sometimes forget to block out or rotate or get back in transition and that sloppiness costs us 10+ points a game vs well coached teams.

We have so many problems and each one will prevent us from getting to our potential so I don't really see the shooting % as a big deal itself

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We can talk about a lot of things but just watching us we don't play with enough energy and effort. Not on defense or rebounding and not of offense to get to the open spots or run down loose balls. Our HC is totally non-energetic with no intensity and our team seems to play the same way.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Anyone that expected him to immediately click isn't that smart. He'll need a few games to get back in the grove and reestablish chemistry

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It was not really about not clicking for me. His approach was really wild and it hurt the team today in my opinion. Disappointing from one of our most experienced guys.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Howlands recruiting has declined.

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I don't buy that at all.

To me we were a good team until that long ass lay-off between Coastal Carolina and La Tech. Since coming back from that unnecessary 2 week hiatus between Coastal Carolina and La Tech, we have played like shit, played with no effort, and played down to the competition. I don?t know what Howland did with them in that time period but they have sucked ass since then.

You guys can make all the excuses you want, but this team ain't gonna make any kind of noise. You are wasting your time. I hung it up after last year when it comes to devoting time to following this BB team. We have no coaching or leadership. Shocker.... this BB team is the equivalent of our football team last year. And they aren't going to miraculously come out playing fundamentally sound basketball and full of energy.

This is the mirror image of our football issues. Both need new leadership

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

To me we were a good team until that long ass lay-off between Coastal Carolina and La Tech. Since coming back from that unnecessary 2 week hiatus between Coastal Carolina and La Tech, we have played like shit, played with no effort, and played down to the competition. I don?t know what Howland did with them in that time period but they have sucked ass since then.

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Good point here. Definitely a regressed team.

Not giving up yet... I think we respond well vs a decent Kent st team. We need that auburn game at home now

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not giving up yet... I think we respond well vs a decent Kent st team. We need that auburn game at home now

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We have a ton of talent so if they ever decide to give a shit it will make a difference in our Ws and Ls and yes we have the talent to beat Auburn in January and give them their first loss. What concerned me the most this year is Howland’s refusal to develop and build our depth. We have a 4 star sitting on the bench collecting dust in Elias King and we have some other freshmen that could have contributed but because Howland wants to play only 7 for some ****ed up reason. That’s going to hurt down the stretch. King and the other freshmen have played well when given the chance. Howland is the same guy who inexplicably didn’t play Woodard last year and when asked about it he questioned himself. He’s washed up and has no idea what he’s doing regarding his bench coaching and his ability to handle timeouts as well as how he handles his bench. He’s continuing to go down hill.

Shit, Howland was idiotic when putting this year’s schedule together. Our next game is the day of the bowl game? Between some of the breaks he put in with this schedule and his lack of understanding when bowl games are, I think the only thing this man does well period is recruit. There will be hundreds at the game against Kent State. Will any MSU media be at the Kent State game?

But Nick is back!

Also anyone complaining about the bench not producing should look at the bench minutes. We played 4 players off the bench and the only one who saw significant minutes was DJ Stewart. The other bench players played 12, 6, and 3 minutes. That’s not enough time TO be productive for three of our guys. Nick W fouled out in 18 minutes. That’s ****ing hard to do as a point guard. How do you foul out as a guard much less as a point guard especially when only two of your fouls were defensive fouls. Why is a point guard setting a screen? What dumb ass offense are we running?

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

To me we were a good team until that long ass lay-off between Coastal Carolina and La Tech. Since coming back from that unnecessary 2 week hiatus between Coastal Carolina and La Tech, we have played like shit, played with no effort, and played down to the competition. I don?t know what Howland did with them in that time period but they have sucked ass since then.

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We just aren't very good. We miss Q and haven't replaced him at all.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not giving up yet... I think we respond well vs a decent Kent st team. We need that auburn game at home now

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Hopefully so. It seems that it always takes a bad loss for the team to get motivated for the next game