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08-13-2019, 01:03 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Percho

Also, do not ever forget the officiating in the Ky game. We were hosed, period.

Boy you are correct, we got the shaft and the D basically quit at the end after the BS calls.
08-13-2019, 01:13 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

I wouldn't call UK and FL or Iowa great teams; good yes, not great. All teams talent wise we should have beat, with any coach in my MSU lifetime except maybe one. Jo laid an egg and yes Mullen laid some as well. Right now Mullen only ahead of Jo due to time and 2014 and that is about it.

You must be really young if you think any coach in our history wins those two games. Hate to break it to you but FL finished #7 and KY finished #12 that would be defined as two great teams by any measure. KY was during a monsoon where we faced our first adversity of the season. Joe and company got punched in the mouth and didn't adjust but don't diminish the team KY had because of our shortcomings. Mullen knew our team better than Joe and exploited it, he had 3-4 years with these players Joe had 6 months that is the main reason we lost to Florida. 2014 was a magical year climbing to #1 but in the end we still finished with 3 losses and blew our only shot at beating a Bama Team led by a converted RB named Blake Sims.

I am willing to give Joe time to bring in WRs and a QB that fit the passing mold he is striving for. If he fails well I am sure the board knows plenty of replacement candidates that would jump at the jump. Even though coordinators in P5 turned us down before Joe. Joe is bringing in better lineman, better WR, and better QB prospects than Dan. It will fall on development and our S&C staff going forward. Those are the two best aspects of Mullen running the show.
08-13-2019, 01:25 PM
BiscuitEater

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is strange logic. Poster earlier said Mullen is a terrible recruiter, and I said there were 3 1st rounders on this team that Mullen recruited and signed. Are you disputing that Mullen recruited sweat, Simmons, and Abram or are you saying that none of them were talented until Moorhead got here?

While I fully understand that Mullet recruited and deserves credit for 3 #1 NFL DEFENSIVE picks; He also gets the blame for recruiting 50% passing QBs, receivers with stone hands, and last years 8-5 record.

I fully supported Mullet UNTIL he started using Novembers to job search instead of coaching 'his' Mississippi State.

Please explain what you don't understand with that logic.
08-13-2019, 01:27 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Percho

Also, do not ever forget the officiating in the Ky game. We were hosed, period.

Don't be an ole miss guy. We got our ass whipped. Just own it.
08-13-2019, 01:28 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

You must be really young if you think any coach in our history wins those two games. Hate to break it to you but FL finished #7 and KY finished #12 that would be defined as two great teams by any measure. KY was during a monsoon where we faced our first adversity of the season. Joe and company got punched in the mouth and didn't adjust but don't diminish the team KY had because of our shortcomings. Mullen knew our team better than Joe and exploited it, he had 3-4 years with these players Joe had 6 months that is the main reason we lost to Florida. 2014 was a magical year climbing to #1 but in the end we still finished with 3 losses and blew our only shot at beating a Bama Team led by a converted RB named Blake Sims.

I am willing to give Joe time to bring in WRs and a QB that fit the passing mold he is striving for. If he fails well I am sure the board knows plenty of replacement candidates that would jump at the jump. Even though coordinators in P5 turned us down before Joe. Joe is bringing in better lineman, better WR, and better QB prospects than Dan. It will fall on development and our S&C staff going forward. Those are the two best aspects of Mullen running the show.

Again, if we don't lose to them, they aren't ranked that high. And we shouldn't have lost to either of them. Those weren't great teams by any stretch. Bama great. After that we didn't play a great team. Not one.
08-13-2019, 01:31 PM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

While I fully understand that Mullet recruited and deserves credit for 3 #1 NFL DEFENSIVE picks; He also gets the blame for recruiting 50% passing QBs, receivers with stone hands, and last years 8-5 record.

I fully supported Mullet UNTIL he started using Novembers to job search instead of coaching 'his' Mississippi State.

Please explain what you don't understand with that logic.

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

Mullen had ZERO '1st rounders' last season!

No Gators were selected in the opening round of the draft for the first time since 2012. Offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor, who was projected as a top-15 pick entering the round, has slid to Day 2 over apparent concerns about an offseason knee injury.

So are you saying Mullen was responsible for UF not having any first-rounders on their team last year? By that logic, you are implying Joe is responsible for the three we had last year.
08-13-2019, 01:31 PM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Don't be an ole miss guy. We got our ass whipped. Just own it.

But, but it was raining.***
08-13-2019, 01:33 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

So are you saying Mullen was responsible for UF not having any first-rounders on their team last year? By that logic, you are implying Joe is responsible for the three we had last year.

He's talking outside both sides of his biscuit eating mouth. I'm just moving on to the next argument lol
08-13-2019, 01:39 PM
msu15

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He's talking outside both sides of his biscuit eating mouth. I'm just moving on to the next argument lol

Biscuit eating mouth lololol
08-13-2019, 01:39 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Again, if we don't lose to them, they aren't ranked that high. And we shouldn't have lost to either of them. Those weren't great teams by any stretch. Bama great. After that we didn't play a great team. Not one.

They both won 10 games we are not the only team they beat.
08-13-2019, 01:41 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

They both won 10 games we are not the only team they beat.

And the other 9 weren't great either. Fact is we lost to them, which boosted their rankings in both cases. You can't argue w that.
08-13-2019, 01:46 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

And the other 9 weren't great either. Fact is we lost to them, which boosted their rankings in both cases. You can't argue w that.

Well yeah that's how rankings work. Doesn't mean they were not great teams. Hell how many 10 win seasons do we have..... Was that not a great team in 2014? I guess you could argue we were boosted by a similar Auburn, A&M, and LSU that year. So by your argument Mullen didn't ever really do anything special here so why so down on Joe? We werefortunate enough to be boosted by the rankings and beating teams that were similar to 2018 versions of us.
08-13-2019, 01:53 PM
BiscuitEater

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

You can't have a bunch of Percy Harvin type of receivers and expect to go vertical.

Percy Harvin caught 133 passes, rushed for 1852 yards, had 32 TDs in only 3 years at Florida. Please list the 'bunch of Percy Harvin type receivers' Mullet recruited to MSU.
08-13-2019, 01:56 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

Well yeah that's how rankings work. Doesn't mean they were not great teams. Hell how many 10 win seasons do we have..... Was that not a great team in 2014? I guess you could argue we were boosted by a similar Auburn, A&M, and LSU that year. So by your argument Mullen didn't ever really do anything special here so why so down on Joe? We werefortunate enough to be boosted by the rankings and beating teams that were similar to 2018 versions of us.

Comparing us of 14 and uk and uf last year is beyond laughable. And I'm not trying to bring joe down, just stating the facts. I hope we win every game. But just because I don't agree w all the sunshine pumpers doesn't mean I'm trying to bring joe down. He works hard. And gets paid pretty well. If he can't handle a message board guy or two "putting him down" then I can't help you.
08-13-2019, 02:07 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Comparing us of 14 and uk and uf last year is beyond laughable. And I'm not trying to bring joe down, just stating the facts. I hope we win every game. But just because I don't agree w all the sunshine pumpers doesn't mean I'm trying to bring joe down. He works hard. And gets paid pretty well. If he can't handle a message board guy or two "putting him down" then I can't help you.

Yeah but your not seeing the fallacy in your arguments. UF last year lost to GA, KY, and Mizzou. Only bad loss was Mizzou who was 8-5. Compare that to our 2014 season we lost to Bama, OM, and GT first two you can excuse I guess, but Ole Miss did finish by losing 4 of 6 in blowout fashion no worries though they kicked us up and down the field. GT who loses every bowl game because with time to prepare the triple option cant beat you with gap and eye discipline. But that was on Geoff right.

Our 2014 run was a great offense and opportunistic defense. KY great defense opportunistic offense this year. FL pretty balanced team overall our best team in the last 30 years would have won in all likelihood but only due to Dak not because that team was far superior.
08-13-2019, 02:34 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

Well yeah that's how rankings work. Doesn't mean they were not great teams. Hell how many 10 win seasons do we have..... Was that not a great team in 2014? I guess you could argue we were boosted by a similar Auburn, A&M, and LSU that year. So by your argument Mullen didn't ever really do anything special here so why so down on Joe? We werefortunate enough to be boosted by the rankings and beating teams that were similar to 2018 versions of us.

Comparing us of 14 and uk and uf last year is beyond laughable. And I'm not trying to bring joe down, just stating the facts. I hope we win every game. But just because I don't agree w all the sunshine pumpers doesn't mean I'm trying to bring joe down. He works hard. And gets paid pretty well. If he can't handle a message board guy or two "putting him down" then I can't help you.
08-13-2019, 02:36 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

Yeah but your not seeing the fallacy in your arguments. UF last year lost to GA, KY, and Mizzou. Only bad loss was Mizzou who was 8-5. Compare that to our 2014 season we lost to Bama, OM, and GT first two you can excuse I guess, but Ole Miss did finish by losing 4 of 6 in blowout fashion no worries though they kicked us up and down the field. GT who loses every bowl game because with time to prepare the triple option cant beat you with gap and eye discipline. But that was on Geoff right.

In the sense that Geoff wasn't there. We lost that Ga Tech game b/c we didn't have a DC. We lost the UM game partly because our offense was unprepared, and partly because our best free safety couldn't stop harassing a girl and our second best free safety got injured on the first drive, and we didn't have a good enough option behind that.

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

Our 2014 run was a great offense and opportunistic defense. KY great defense opportunistic offense this year. FL pretty balanced team overall our best team in the last 30 years would have won in all likelihood but only due to Dak not because that team was far superior.

Upsets are always possible obviously, but our 2014 team, at least as it existed prior to the UM game, would have won both those games most likely. We unfortunately weren't as good by the end of 2014 as we were at the beginning, partly because of injuries, and partly because Josh Robinson got in the habit of not taking what was there and trying to bounce everything to the outside. Our most effective running back against Ole Miss and Ga TEch was Shumpert, and no knock on him, but he wasn't close to the talent Josh was; he was just willing to take what was there. Neither UK nor Florida this year were what Bama or even Ole Miss were that year. Ole Miss's defense was as good as UK's this year but they had a better offense. Even if our 2014 had played UK without either of our top two free safeties, I'm not sure UK would have had the talent to make us pay the way UM did with their TE. I would say UF is in a similar boat although maybe they would have been more likely to knock off the post UM version of the 2014 team.
08-13-2019, 02:49 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Don't be an ole miss guy. We got our ass whipped. Just own it.

Meh....Our offense got their ass whipped. Our defense pretty much whipped their ass for three quarters, but they got two scores gifted to them early by the referees. Our D probably gets worn down by the end regardless, but without the two bad calls on scoring drives, maybe it plays out differently.
08-13-2019, 02:56 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

In the sense that Geoff wasn't there. We lost that Ga Tech game b/c we didn't have a DC. We lost the UM game partly because our offense was unprepared, and partly because our best free safety couldn't stop harassing a girl and our second best free safety got injured on the first drive, and we didn't have a good enough option behind that.

Upsets are always possible obviously, but our 2014 team, at least as it existed prior to the UM game, would have won both those games most likely. We unfortunately weren't as good by the end of 2014 as we were at the beginning, partly because of injuries, and partly because Josh Robinson got in the habit of not taking what was there and trying to bounce everything to the outside. Our most effective running back against Ole Miss and Ga TEch was Shumpert, and no knock on him, but he wasn't close to the talent Josh was; he was just willing to take what was there. Neither UK nor Florida this year were what Bama or even Ole Miss were that year. Ole Miss's defense was as good as UK's this year but they had a better offense. Even if our 2014 had played UK without either of our top two free safeties, I'm not sure UK would have had the talent to make us pay the way UM did with their TE. I would say UF is in a similar boat although maybe they would have been more likely to knock off the post UM version of the 2014 team.

Also that Ole Miss team your referencing lost the week before us to a 6-6 Arkansas team 30-0. I am just saying if a team gets 10 wins in the SEC they are a great team. We lost to a crippled Bo Wallace because we couldn't cover Evan Engram and gave up a terrible school yard TD to Walton. That Ole Miss team had quit and we had everything on the line and choked scoring 17 with the best player in school history. FL and KY were better than the Ole Miss team we played in 2014 by the time we played them. Hell they lost 42-3 a few weeks later in the Peach Bowl. Bama was good, but that was the most vunerable they have been or ever will be again with Saban at the helm. Should have beat GT regardless of Collins leaving that loss was inexcusable and knocked us from the top 10.

I think Dan is a great coach and I never wanted him to leave, but Joe has done nothing to show he is inferior at this juncture. I am willing to wait on see what Stevens and co do this year. We may never have another Dak, or another 2018 Defense to drag a team to greatness and that is something both Joe and Dan have to live with knowing how rare both were and they didn't get the job done.
08-13-2019, 04:49 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

Percy Harvin caught 133 passes, rushed for 1852 yards, had 32 TDs in only 3 years at Florida. Please list the 'bunch of Percy Harvin type receivers' Mullet recruited to MSU.

In stature, not in production. I suppose I should have been a little more clear for those reading who couldn't infer what I was referencing. My apologies.

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