John Cohen, it's time for you to do your job

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Originally Posted by Coach007

I know people are mad, but you can not fault a coach.

Just look at our own fan base. You guys would turn out a coach in a year if you could. You talk about it with JoMo. If it betters him or his family, I'm not faulting him because like I said.... fickle fans.

As to no competition clauses. Hard time getting them to hold up in court.

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I don't fault Baker. I fault the men signing his check

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And stop allowing our program to be the farm team of the real competitors every year. The buck stops with you whether fair or not. Open up the wallet and let some air in, brother

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Why do we think the solution to every problem we have is 'Cohen needs to pay more.' We have limited resources, more limited than any other program in the conference. Pretending we can compete with the top programs by doing the same thing they do is foolish.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Why do we think the solution to every problem we have is 'Cohen needs to pay more.' We have limited resources, more limited than any other program in the conference. Pretending we can compete with the top programs by doing the same thing they do is foolish.

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Read. I didn't say that was the solution to every problem....but it is for some, like Baker. The key is not trying to get in a bidding war by being proactive with paying your best coaches. Play offense, not defense like our cheap ass AD's do. $400k more is something we can afford in order to maintain the top DL in the country, no??

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Wrong. You DO overpay when you can't keep coaches in today's landscape. Of course he accepted the deal, he hadn't been offered a better one at the time. Had we paid up, they may not even come knocking, who knows.

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If Saban wanted him, Bama would have definitely come knocking. Saban may not get everything he wants concerning the Alabama Football Program, but he doesn't miss on much. But how do you come up with a formula to over pay somebody but not actually way over pay them, when you have no clue that a program like Bama will come after your DL Coach, and don't know what their salary package offer will be? Again, whether we want to believe, or admit it, on the national scene, a DL assistant coaching position at Bama is a more prestigious coaching position than one with us. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

This is about Saban trying to disrupt what he sees as his biggest threat in the West.

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That?s hilarious

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

If Saban wanted him, Bama would have definitely come knocking. Saban may not get everything he wants concerning the Alabama Football Program, but he doesn't miss on much. But how do you come up with a formula to over pay somebody but not actually way over pay them, when you have no clue that a program like Bama will come after your DL Coach, and don't know what their salary package offer will be?

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Our D was #1 in the nation, and Baker was recruiting his ass off....overpay by enough that it doesn't matter. I bet Clemson feels like they got pretty good ROI on their overpaying of Venebles. If you truly want to take a next step, if you truly want to be a Clemson one day...You HAVE to lock down your best guys. You don't have to overpay everybody, just be strategic by knowing who is truly the glue to your #1 Defense and pay their ass handsomely. It's not hard. Nobody on O (maybe Johnson for recruiting) should have gotten a penny raise, so making substantial raises for guys like Baker shouldn't have been hard. Stop making excuses...we aren't Huge money but we aren't Southern Miss either

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And stop allowing our program to be the farm team of the real competitors every year. The buck stops with you whether fair or not. Open up the wallet and let some air in, brother

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I figure it has way more to do with JoeMo. I mean, I'm sure it's completely coincidental 4 of our 5 best coaches have all jumped off the SS Moorhead at their first opportunity.

You're right, Cohen needs to do his job. But it starts with getting rid of Sylvester Moorhead. But your point about increasing our assistant pay is accurate, too.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

I figure it has way more to do with JoeMo. I mean, I'm sure it's completely coincidental 4 of our 5 best coaches have all jumped off the SS Moorhead at their first opportunity.

You're right, Cohen needs to do his job. But it starts with getting rid of Sylvester Moorhead. But your point about increasing our assistant pay is accurate, too.

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I don't think Moorhead is going to be successful, but Baker supposedly turned down Florida and LSU before signing the extension.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

I agree our assistant coaches need more money, but if we have an assistant coach who Bama wants, and our coach, being offered by Bama, has mutual feelings about moving to Tuscaloosa, then you can forget ir on the money thing. So yeah we need to supplement our assistant coaches, but that is not going to prevent things like this.

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I agree, we were probably paying him pretty competitively for most normal college football programs, heck, even competively for the SEC, but when you compete with Bama you are basically competing with an NFL franchise with unlimited resources. I do think overall we should bump our assistants' pay WHERE there is someone that our HC wants to do all we can to not lose. We certainly should have, at a minimum, our assistant pay in line with what OM has, but none of that will ever stop us from losing an assistant that Bama comes after because we can't afford to pay on that scale as a norm.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Read. I didn't say that was the solution to every problem....but it is for some, like Baker. The key is not trying to get in a bidding war by being proactive with paying your best coaches. Play offense, not defense like our cheap ass AD's do. $400k more is something we can afford in order to maintain the top DL in the country, no??

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And if our Dline would have come out and played crappy this year under Baker everybody would be bitching how stupid Cohen was for overpaying the DL coach. Not saying paying coaches what their worth is wrong. Just saying your scenario of overpaying could work the other way too.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

He didn't go to Bama for less money, I guarantee you that. It was bare minimum equal to what we offered him to stay, but likely more. And therein lies the problem....if you pay the man upfront what you felt he is worth on his way out the door, you might not have people snooping around to begin with. We try to be cheap until it's too late.

In other words, if we threw out a $750k matching offer after Bama did, well of course he leaves....but if we extend him for $750k right after or during the season, it makes a statement that you better be ready to pay for Baker if you try to get him, and most would steer clear. But when they look and see he's making $350k while coaching up the best DL in the country, you might as well have a neon sign above his head saying "Priced To Move!"

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You got that right!! LT 2.0. We have low balled every coach in our entire program with the exception of Vic

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

I figure it has way more to do with JoeMo. I mean, I'm sure it's completely coincidental 4 of our 5 best coaches have all jumped off the SS Moorhead at their first opportunity.

You're right, Cohen needs to do his job. But it starts with getting rid of Sylvester Moorhead. But your point about increasing our assistant pay is accurate, too.

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Preach brother!!! #SinkingShip

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

And if our Dline would have come out and played crappy this year under Baker everybody would be bitching how stupid Cohen was for overpaying the DL coach. Not saying paying coaches what their worth is wrong. Just saying your scenario of overpaying could work the other way too.

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You don't do it unless they're proven...Baker is proven, and you could have even done it after the season and been fine. It only works against you if you arent paying attention.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You don't do it unless they're proven...Baker is proven, and you could have even done it after the season and been fine. It only works against you if you arent paying attention.

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I do agree we need to pony up for good coaches. But is money the sole reason for him leaving? He is leaving though, right?

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

I do agree we need to pony up for good coaches. But is money the sole reason for him leaving? He is leaving though, right?

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He isn't leaving for less money, that's for sure. It's always about the money in my opinion. Sure, Bama & Saban are great, but you still aren't taking a pay cut to go there.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Preach brother!!! #SinkingShip

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God I liked it when you were on hiatus. Go back to your Coach 34 strike, please.

Per Steve, we offered Huff a long extension (to 2022) and more money but it was the Bama opportunity. Piroli was offered more but really wanted to go and work with Bruce again. Baker was offer a match, then offered to exceed Bama’s offer at the time but he also thought the opportunity for advancement was too good to pass up

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Per Steve, we offered Huff a long extension (to 2022) and more money but it was the Bama opportunity. Piroli was offered more but really wanted to go and work with Bruce again. Baker was offer a match, then offered to exceed Bama’s offer at the time but he also thought the opportunity for advancement was too good to pass up

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Piroli I get.

Huff I get to some extent but he's a climber that won't show loyalty to anyone. He needs to watch who he follows on twitter.

Baker - Complete sell out. Would rather get something for free than build that something special. Was lying to our recruits last night about staying.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Piroli I get.

Was lying to our recruits last night about staying.

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I read that and also that he had already accepted offer last night too. He probably should've just been honest and excused himself from the whole recruiting deal last night, or made some excuse and just left while telling Joe & Shoop why. That's another thing that pissed me off about this ... Saban's ass could've offered sooner or waited until late today or early tomorrow to offer IMO. I think this was calculated to some degree by Saban.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

God I liked it when you were on hiatus. Go back to your Coach 34 strike, please.

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Why not hit ignore? It would be like I'm not even here.