Some one explaine to me why Neb fired a 9 win coach?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I'm definitely not a woe as me guy but this is an assumption not a fact. Could someone come in & do better than Mullen? Of course they could. Could someone come in & suck & do worse? Of course they could.

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will the new facilities leave with him? the bowled in stadium? the budget?

could someone come in and coach worse? lower expectations from the players and let rot set in? of course, but that would take sustained effort which would be headed off by firing the imbecile and replacing him. we are looking at a 6 win season next year, maybe worse. i just don't see how any competent hire can do worse.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment here. The coaches looked at what we had with Rankin and then looked at what we had with Warren and Jenkins and decided to redshirt Rankin. He certainly could be a slight upgrade over Warren, but be a significant upgrade after not being able to earn a starting spot this year would require a significant improvement over his RS year. Possible, but just seems unlikely that anyone with the natural ability to be an upgrade over Warren wouldn't ahve been able to get on the field at all this year.

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We will have to see how it translates but he looked pretty good late in the year. Just no reason to pull the red shirt at that point. And I don't think it was really physical issues that hampered him early. But have to see how he handles spring and then the lights.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

and that new floor won't leave with him. that's what the "woe is MSU" crowd can't seem to grasp.

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We don't have to make an outstanding hire to continue to keep the same floor as Mullen, but we'd have to hire a good coach and the chances of doing that after running off a coach that just took us from one bowl game in 5 years (the liberty), to six bowl games in seven years (including, the Orange, Gaotor X2, the Music City, Belk, and Liberty) or even six bowl games in 8 years would probably not be great.

Out of curiosity, I'd like to see what coaching hires that were made this off season the fans that want Mullen to leave would have been happy with. http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/c...g_changes.html Some of these hires will look great in hindsight, but how many would people be excited about now? Fuente? Matt Campbell? Bronco Mendenhall? Dino Babers? I get thinking Mullen has peaked, I just don't get who people think we could go get that would justify taking the risk of making a bad hire.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

will the new facilities leave with him? the bowled in stadium? the budget?

could someone come in and coach worse? lower expectations from the players and let rot set in? of course, but that would take sustained effort which would be headed off by firing the imbecile and replacing him. we are looking at a 6 win season next year, maybe worse. i just don't see how any competent hire can do worse.

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I'll take the bet on that 6-6 or worse.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

LSU is loaded with talent every year. I could see them being better next year or I could see them being exactly the same. If I were forced to guess, I'd bet they are slightly better but that it wasn't experience holding them back this year. Miles has just very slowly been losing his edge.


Both QB's that weren't very good. How many of their recruiting class is going to be able to make a difference their first season on campus? They certainly could be better, but they have recruited pretty well for a while and yet weren't good this year.

The D that let us score 50 on them? If those 9 returning starters were all freshmen and sophomores this year, maybe. Otherwise returning starters from a mediocre defense doesn't seem to be an obviously good thing.


Weren't they loaded at WR and on the DL this year?

How many of their recruits are really going to be significant upgrades as true freshmen?

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LSU was better than us this season- and will be again next season- in Baton Rouge
We struggled to beat Auburn. They only returned something like 9 starters last year- now they will return 15 and add depth with their recruiting class.
We may beat UPig- but with 15-16 starters returning to a team that went 5-3 in the SEC- they might be pretty good again
A&M beat us for the 3rd time in 4 years- and returns more starters than we do. And is recruiting better than us
OM returns some good players and their QB- and we go to Oxford next year

Gonna be a tough road for us in 2016- harder than 2015.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment here. The coaches looked at what we had with Rankin and then looked at what we had with Warren and Jenkins and decided to redshirt Rankin. He certainly could be a slight upgrade over Warren, but be a significant upgrade after not being able to earn a starting spot this year would require a significant improvement over his RS year. Possible, but just seems unlikely that anyone with the natural ability to be an upgrade over Warren wouldn't ahve been able to get on the field at all this year.

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This. Rankin could be adequate next year, but to think we sat an all sec caliber OT that got here in January is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I'll take the bet on that 6-6 or worse.

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i think we could be much better than 6-6, but i don't think Mullen will make the offensive adjustments that would take. i see a lot of zone read off the DE and Holloway up the gut next year. the exact same offense we've seen for years, that nearlyevery team we see will be vastly prepared for. it could get ugly. hope i'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

i think we could be much better than 6-6, but i don't think Mullen will make the offensive adjustments that would take. i see a lot of zone read off the DE and Holloway up the gut next year. the exact same offense we've seen for years, that nearlyevery team we see will be vastly prepared for. it could get ugly. hope i'm wrong.

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I actually think the offense will be ok. We'll turn it over a little more- but Fitz can hit the deep ball to create big plays too. Defense scares the shit out of me

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

and that new floor won't leave with him. that's what the "woe is MSU" crowd can't seem to grasp.

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That is what southern said when Fedora left!

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I'll take the bet on that 6-6 or worse.

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I'll take some of that too. All you feel comfortable taking.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

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LSU was better than us this season- and will be again next season- in Baton Rouge
We struggled to beat Auburn. They only returned something like 9 starters last year- now they will return 15 and add depth with their recruiting class.
We may beat UPig- but with 15-16 starters returning to a team that went 5-3 in the SEC- they might be pretty good again
A&M beat us for the 3rd time in 4 years- and returns more starters than we do. And is recruiting better than us
OM returns some good players and their QB- and we go to Oxford next year

Gonna be a tough road for us in 2016- harder than 2015.[/QUOTE]

Maybe so, but that has nothing to do with the original point - whether the west will be improved next year. If the road is harder, it will likely be due to how much we fall off, not how improved everybody else is. Just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

That is what southern said when Fedora left!

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None that I know said that, they knew they were screwed when he left just like everyone else. Comparing USM and State right now is asinine.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment here. The coaches looked at what we had with Rankin and then looked at what we had with Warren and Jenkins and decided to redshirt Rankin. He certainly could be a slight upgrade over Warren, but be a significant upgrade after not being able to earn a starting spot this year would require a significant improvement over his RS year. Possible, but just seems unlikely that anyone with the natural ability to be an upgrade over Warren wouldn't ahve been able to get on the field at all this year.

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Rankin could have played but Dan would rather have him 100% for two years. What I have heard is Rankin has been looking really good in practice. His talent and ability have been there but he didn't grasp the blocking schemes early on.
Too many experts had this Guy as the number one OL in JuCo for Him to be a bust.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I actually think the offense will be ok. We'll turn it over a little more- but Fitz can hit the deep ball to create big plays too. Defense scares the shit out of me

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That's hilarious. I think the defense could be pretty good if we can find some productivity along the DL. I think the DBs as a group will be better, our LBs will be the best and deepest in the SEC, and we have some decent talent to play with at DE if they will move a guy or two around.

Offensive line could be worse possibly, barring a redshirted juco showing up as a stud, we could be in trouble up front...with a 150 lb RB cramming it up the middle. I think Fitz is great, but he's going to need help up front and at RB. I'm not convinced either position is a middle or upper tier SEC group.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

That's hilarious. I think the defense could be pretty good if we can find some productivity along the DL. I think the DBs as a group will be better, our LBs will be the best and deepest in the SEC, and we have some decent talent to play with at DE if they will move a guy or two around.

Offensive line could be worse possibly, barring a redshirted juco showing up as a stud, we could be in trouble up front...with a 150 lb RB cramming it up the middle. I think Fitz is great, but he's going to need help up front and at RB. I'm not convinced either position is a middle or upper tier SEC group.

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Hilarious?

We lose draft picks at both CB's- and after your boy went down you saw how much worse the defense got. And I wont rehash the DL problems

The OL will be a little better. We return 3 starters- and Jenkins was every bit as good as Rufus- with a higher upside. Calhoun will be a year older and will be a good player.
Ours WR group will be even better than this season if Bear stays and adding AJ to the group
RB's get a year older.
New QB throws a great deep ball.
TE is a question mark

Offense will be pretty good again- defense? Not so much

I think the offense will be fun to watch. Hard to imagine Fitz being that good being so new.

OL - can't get worse so will be "better". I still think they will struggle against good teams. Hopefully they can not give up 10 sacks in any one game.

Defense - in trouble

WR - will be great but won't matter.

RB - more terribleHate to be Debbie Downer but, I don't think we will beat anyone in the West.

I just think it's funny how much grief I've caught and continue to catch for being pissed when we had gone 5-11 over 16 games, in which the wins were 4-8 Arky, Alcorn St, Troy, and getting lucky to squeak by Bowling Green and Kentucky by 1 and 6 points respectively. While losing by 31 to Bama, 25 to aTm, 20 to LSU, 17 to OM, 14 to Northwestern, 18 to Oklahoma St, 4 to Auburn in a botched game, 33 to LSU, 18 to SCe at the point when we started to turn the corner at aTm and vs Bama even while QBs were dropping like flies.

But now -- it's somehow widely acceptable here to be pissed the heck off and saying the same things I was saying off a really bad 5-11 stretch -- off a 20-7 stretch that saw us at #1 for 5 weeks.

You were right Engie.

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Originally Posted by engie

I just think it's funny how much grief I've caught and continue to catch for being pissed when we had gone 5-11 over 16 games, in which the wins were 4-8 Arky, Alcorn St, Troy, and getting lucky to squeak by Bowling Green and Kentucky by 1 and 6 points respectively. While losing by 31 to Bama, 25 to aTm, 20 to LSU, 17 to OM, 14 to Northwestern, 18 to Oklahoma St, 4 to Auburn in a botched game, 33 to LSU, 18 to SCe at the point when we started to turn the corner at aTm and vs Bama even while QBs were dropping like flies.

But now -- it's somehow widely acceptable here to be pissed the heck off and saying the same things I was saying off a really bad 5-11 stretch -- off a 20-7 stretch that saw us at #1 for 5 weeks.

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The difference for me personally Engie is that we were a young team in 2013 and had been hampered by injuries. You could see that when Dakota was healthy- we were a much better team. Then in 2014- when we returned the most starters in he SEC- we had a great season.

We we were a veteran team in 2015- and it's been decent. We will still be a veteran team for the most part in 2016- and our expectations will again be very low- as in 2015. If we aren't expected to win when we have veteran teams- then our developmental- redshirt as many in the freshman class mentality is failing. When you don't start a person younger than a Jr on your OL- and THAT is what we look like- we are failing

And I'd say we will be a very young team in 2016. At least -- that's where the talent is. It's in the class of 2015 and the handful of key remaining rsSRs from the class of 2012.

The vast majority of the "veterans" are from bust classes and are less talented than the underclassmen. The only places where we have good, veteran depth for next year is at WR and LB.