Chat with Scott Stricklin

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

What you guys fail to realize is that rebuilds in basketball don't take as long as what we are seeing with Ray.

He has several factors working against him that prolong any rebuild.

A) Never been a head coach - this is huge. If he had been a head coach, you wouldn't of seen him take chances on players like a Daniels or the kid from Findley Prep and yes Dawg61 we would have a full roster. There would also be some other nuances that he would have learned along the way that would make our program better.

B) No ties to the southeast for recruiting purposes - this is really killing him. If he were a great recruiter, it would alleviate problem A. If he were a great recruiter, we would be channelling great young players into the program and be seeing strides forward instead of going backwards from next to last to dead last.

C) Stricklin saying he has all the time in the world to rebuild. This shit is all on Stricklin here which may have lead to some of Ray's questionable decisions in the first place. When you feel no pressure to win, that is a very bad thing. Just is. Ask Croom, he thought he had 5 years and would never get fired.

When you add A, B, and C up you get at minimum a 4-5 year rebuild when a 1-2 year rebuild in basketball is usually all you need unless you are on Probation, your program was rocked with a murder scandal or your AD blows up the program.

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Jibber Jabber...

Show me a 2nd year rebuild from a bottom feeder program in the SEC in the past decade. Please. Should be easy to do -- since it's so easy to accomplish -- and it "doesn't take 2+ years to rebuild in basketball".

Fact is, every comparable situation -- has shown comparable results to what Ray has had thusfar. You can spin the shit out of that -- but you literally can't come up with a SINGLE EXAMPLE backing your position. While we've shown numerous examples with name coaches at name programs that had to follow the exact same blueprint we are following out of the abyss.

You say stupid shit like "Pearl will be in the NCAA's in year 2" -- you don't even deserve responses to your obviously emotional and laxidasically thought out position...

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I keep seeing this- but nobody can name one other than Kentucky that took just a year or so when the team lost 4-5 starters and had major roster change

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Grant did it at Alabama. First year no post season, second year NIT, third year NCAA. Very solid progress. Could he sustain it? No but that is an example of a three year trajectory of progress. AND Alabama wants to get rid of him because he had one losing season but had 3 20+ win seasons. I would take Anthony Grant in a heart beat here.

I don't see how anyone that was logical could say what Ray put out there his second season was progress. We went from next to last to dead last and both years featured 12 game losing streaks. You would really have to be reaching to say progress was made.

Sigh, your basis of hope is based off nothing Engie.

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Originally Posted by engie

Jibber Jabber...

Show me a 2nd year rebuild from a bottom feeder program in the SEC in the past decade. Please. Should be easy to do -- since it's so easy to accomplish -- and it "doesn't take 2+ years to rebuild in basketball".

Fact is, every comparable situation -- has shown comparable results to what Ray has had thusfar. You can spin the shit out of that -- but you literally can't come up with a SINGLE EXAMPLE backing your position. While we've shown numerous examples with name coaches at name programs that had to follow the exact same blueprint we are following out of the abyss.

You say stupid shit like "Pearl will be in the NCAA's in year 2" -- you don't even deserve responses to your obviously emotional and laxidasically thought out position...

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How was anything I said there not true? He had never had head coaching xperience, he had no recruiting ties to the southeast, and Stricklin said he had all the time in the world to rebuild. All of those points are true. You are the one not making any sense here.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Grant did it at Alabama. .

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Grant inherited 3 starters that averaged double figures in the SEC

Try aGAIN

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Originally Posted by engie

Jibber Jabber...

Show me a 2nd year rebuild from a bottom feeder program in the SEC in the past decade. Please. Should be easy to do -- since it's so easy to accomplish -- and it "doesn't take 2+ years to rebuild in basketball".

Fact is, every comparable situation -- has shown comparable results to what Ray has had thusfar. You can spin the shit out of that -- but you literally can't come up with a SINGLE EXAMPLE backing your position. While we've shown numerous examples with name coaches at name programs that had to follow the exact same blueprint we are following out of the abyss.

You say stupid shit like "Pearl will be in the NCAA's in year 2" -- you don't even deserve responses to your obviously emotional and laxidasically thought out position...

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Pearl has never had a losing record anywhere he has been. He has a fun up tempo aggressive offense that recruits itself. Pearl will get players there and he will win there.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Pearl has never had a losing record anywhere he has been. He has a fun up tempo aggressive offense that recruits itself. Pearl will get players there and he will win there.

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So, you'll ban yourself when he has a losing record next year, correct?

Pearl has never had to rebuild from shit. He always took jobs smartly before -- and built onto talent in good situations. He was desperate this time -- and it'll show for a couple of years.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Grant inherited 3 starters that averaged double figures in the SEC

Try aGAIN

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John Brady at LSU and that team was on probation and he had them in the NCAA tourney in year 3 and made progress his first two years.

No, I never said that. Shit you are just as terrible a poster as the ones you say you don't like to begin with.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Sigh, your basis of hope is based off nothing Engie.

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Based "off" nothing?

You are hopeless. I've shown player by player improvement multiple times. I've shown score improvement across the league in our games vs #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, etc... I've shown overall scoring improvement by us. I've CLEARLY DEFINED all of that -- while you bring jibber jabber -- and it's in my best interest to quit clicking "view post" to dumb myself down against such a helplessly emotional point of view...

What's "based off nothing" is your assertion that we suddenly stop showing improvement next year -- when we have actual depth across the board and the players have all shown improvement constantly. Do you know how stupid that sounds? Actually, I already know the answer -- because you keep spouting it...

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

John Brady at LSU and that team was on probation and he had them in the NCAA tourney in year 3 and made progress his first two years.

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9-19
12-15
first 2 years
Fire his ass!!11!1

NVM that it was 15 years ago and in a completely different era than we are currently in. But glad to know you've got all this supporting evidence that Pearl is dancing next year -- and that it takes less than 2 years to rebuild a program from rock bottom -- that you only had to go back 15 years to find a (failing) example**

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

No, I never said that. Shit you are just as terrible a poster as the ones you say you don't like to begin with.

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You claimed he'll be an NCAA team by year 2. That almost never happens from a losing record in the first year of a rebuild. You also said that "he's never had a losing record anywhere he's been." So it's no stretch to say you expect him to have a winning record in year 1. Fact is -- I'm calling your bluff in that you don't actually believe half of the shit you are spewing. And you've made that obvious...

But keep backtracking... Gonna need a brand new field from all the different places you've stuck that goalpost in this thread.

Better yet -- don't bother. Now that I've sufficiently made myself dumber by attempting reason with you again today, I'm done with it. Have fun with your careless and consistently changing agenda... I won't be viewing it anymore.

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Originally Posted by engie

You claimed he'll be an NCAA team by year 2. That almost never happens from a losing record in the first year of a rebuild -- so it's no stretch to say you expect him to have a winning record in year 1.

But keep backtracking... Gonna need a brand new field from all the different places you've stuck that goalpost.

Better yet -- don't bother. Now that I've sufficiently made myself dumber by attempting reason with you again today, I'm done with it. Have fun with your careless and consistently changing agenda... I won't be viewing it anymore.

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Fine by me! Let's just make a pact to never respond to either of our posts. You make this board very unenjoyable and not because of any points or crap you make but because of your attitude.

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Originally Posted by engie

So, you'll ban yourself when he has a losing record next year, correct?

Pearl has never had to rebuild from shit. He always took jobs smartly before -- and built onto talent in good situations. He was desperate this time -- and it'll show for a couple of years.

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There's a very good chance two of the three indiana transfers end up at auburn.

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Originally Posted by engie

You claimed he'll be an NCAA team by year 2. That almost never happens from a losing record in the first year of a rebuild. You also said that "he's never had a losing record anywhere he's been." So it's no stretch to say you expect him to have a winning record in year 1. Fact is -- I'm calling your bluff in that you don't actually believe half of the shit you are spewing. And you've made that obvious...

But keep backtracking... Gonna need a brand new field from all the different places you've stuck that goalpost in this thread.

Better yet -- don't bother. Now that I've sufficiently made myself dumber by attempting reason with you again today, I'm done with it. Have fun with your careless and consistently changing agenda... I won't be viewing it anymore.

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And to think this shit all started because I thought Frank Martin inherited less to comparable talent then Rick Ray did.

Look, I don't think Pearl will have a winning record next year but it is possible given his track record that he will be .500 make progress and possible NiT in year 2 and NCAA tourney in year 3. What I do know is Auburn will see the NCAA tourney before we will and that is pathetic given the two programs histories.

Ray did not get a bottom feeder when he got the MSU job and if we had hired smartly we might have NCAA tourney aspiristions next year instead of okay this is the end of the rebuild. This is all I am saying here as this thread has gotten way out of control by posters who obviously have a completely different agenda.

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Originally Posted by esplanade91

Exactly. He equated Ray to a couple of assistants we've hired who were in line to become head coaches either here or somewhere else. Ray was a career assistant. Does he think we're dumb enough to let that squeeze by without noticing it? Or is he dumb enough to believe that Ray was on the same page as those guys?

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Rick Stansbury was a career assistant, but you Stansbury fans don't want to admit that he ran the program into the ground and left it in a hole that will take years to climb out of.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Pearl has never had a losing record anywhere he has been. He has a fun up tempo aggressive offense that recruits itself. Pearl will get players there and he will win there.

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.....and then Auburn will be on probation and will have to hire a clean coach that can actually coach like Tennessee did.

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Originally Posted by Raytoraid83

There's a very good chance two of the three indiana transfers end up at auburn.

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That wouldn't surprise me one bit. All of that publicity from hiring Pearl more then likely will pay off in transfers so by year 2 he will have built up some talent.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Rick Stansbury was a career assistant, but you Stansbury fans don't want to admit that he ran the program into the ground and left it in a hole that will take years to climb out of.

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Originally Posted by KB21

.....and then Auburn will be on probation and will have to hire a clean coach that can actually coach like Tennessee did.

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Please stop

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

John Brady at LSU and that team was on probation and he had them in the NCAA tourney in year 3 and made progress his first two years.

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Brady was still left starters like Earl, Maurice Carter, and Rogers Washington.

Try aGAIN.