If we're so hopelessly poor that it doesn't matter who our coach is...

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Originally Posted by BB30

And what did all of the players that improved have in common? They were all highly valued sec caliber players....

We didn't have the talent nor the depth to consistently win and consistently improve.

Fluff wasn't the same after he missed a couple games. Our OL and DL were gassed by the end of the season. We lost arguably our only sec talent on the DL by week 4.

Our OL was absolutely atrocious most of the season.

Y'all may be right on lebby, but with the talent level we had up front he had to be perfect he didn't have any cushion for making boneheaded coaching decisions whereas kiffin and others got bailed out multiple times this year by the talent on their roster.

All coaches make dumb decisions heck, Kirby smart pissed the second half of the sugar bowl away and he's one of the best in the business.

Lebby may not be the guy. I can assure you the next guy won't be the guy either if we don't get better at buying in and fundraising the nil to compete.

Wake forest outspent us in NIL last year and they beat us shocker. We are dead last in NIL in the sec even behind Kentucky and y'all are surprised we have won one sec game in two years. I don't understand how some of y'all can't see there is a direct correlation in spending and winning.

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WF outspent us? I'll have to see your work on that claim.

On3 has their class at 62nd last season with an avg nil of 17k. They have us 22nd last year with an avg nil of 53k. Let's not even mention them having several big hold outs for the bowl

Quaoarsking

On the issue of whether Lebby should be fired or not, I very much speak for a huge majority of the fanbase.

I doubt that..... message boards do not represent the majority of the fanbase. They represent a small portion of it.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

Quaoarsking

On the issue of whether Lebby should be fired or not, I very much speak for a huge majority of the fanbase.

I doubt that..... message boards do not represent the majority of the fanbase. They represent a small portion of it.

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Fans are also notoriously emotional after games where their team loses.

I'm pretty sure most of those people feel differently after a day or two.

Plus if our boosters were out on Lebby we definitely know by now.

If you look at the stats it's very clear to me. Offense was fine. Improve the offensive line and KT will be better next year- we should be even better there next year. Defense has killed us the last two years. BADLY. We had to make major changes there and we have on the coaching side already. Main culprit to me was defensive line as a position group. Marginal improvement there could definitely be the difference in a win or two. Also need to retool the secondary but we are already starting to do those things.

Choosing to keep a coach who went 2-10 and 5-8 and looked completely lost in the bowl game with no sense of an offensive game plan other than run up the middle, drop back to pass and then scramble 20 times, throw it deep 8 times and miss on nearly every 10-15 yard pass attempt.

After 12 regular season games he knew what he had in an offensive line, yet he made no fixes or simplified blocking and protection adjustments with the 15 days of free extra practices. Enjoy the 1-5 start and Arnept finishing out next season. Good grief!!!!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Choosing to keep a coach who went 2-10 and 5-8 and looked completely lost in the bowl game with no sense of an offensive game plan other than run up the middle, drop back to pass and then scramble 20 times, throw it deep 8 times and miss on nearly every 10-15 yard pass attempt.

After 12 regular season games he knew what he had in an offensive line, yet he made no fixes or simplified blocking and protection adjustments with the 15 days of free extra practices. Enjoy the 1-5 start and Arnept finishing out next season. Good grief!!!!

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We scored 29 points against a team that won 9 games and was 26th in the country in Total D and 44th in Scoring D at 22.0 per with a true freshman QB, a terrible OL, missing coaches, and idiot players that dont have enough sense to drink the water/gatorade in the lockerroom that every team in the country has sitting out for them to hydrate with.

Banging on the offense is ridiculous. We had over 400 yards and looked much better than I thought we would on O.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We scored 29 points against a team that won 9 games and was 26th in the country in Total D and 44th in Scoring D at 22.0 per with a true freshman QB, a terrible OL, missing coaches, and idiot players that dont have enough sense to drink the water/gatorade in the lockerroom that every team in the country has sitting out for them to hydrate with.

Banging on the offense is ridiculous. We had over 400 yards and looked much better than I thought we would on O.

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I love a good sermon. PREACH C34!

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We scored 29 points against a team that won 9 games and was 26th in the country in Total D and 44th in Scoring D at 22.0 per with a true freshman QB, a terrible OL, missing coaches, and idiot players that dont have enough sense to drink the water/gatorade in the lockerroom that every team in the country has sitting out for them to hydrate with.

Banging on the offense is ridiculous. We had over 400 yards and looked much better than I thought we would on O.

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Imagine how the freshman would've looked had he played sooner...

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Imagine how the freshman would've looked had he played sooner...

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We would not have won enough to go to the bowl.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Imagine how the freshman would've looked had he played sooner...

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I think it could have went one of 2 ways:
He would have started off horrible but progressed through the year. He would be that much further ahead now with his passing and reading defenses.
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He would have had his confidence crushed from being thrown to the wolves and not be able to develop at all.

I think Lebby did it the right way. I actually might would have brought him in one or two games earlier, but regardless I think he did it correctly. Shapen played really good early in the season. But once competition got better our weaknesses on the O Line became glaring. Hard for any QB to be successful.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We would not have won enough to go to the bowl.

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Technically we still didn't. I get it tho.

I certainly don’t agree with a lot of Lebbys in game coaching decisions but starting Shapen was the right move to start the season. KT has great potential if we can fund an SEC caliber OL, but I doubt we beat ASU with KT starting. He just was not ready at that point

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Imagine how the freshman would've looked had he played sooner...

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Bout the same. We dont beat ASU with KT. Defense was a much bigger problem than QB. Losing Whitson was a way bigger issue than what we did at QB.

And I know this is comparing an SEC defense to WF, but KT vs ole miss was 48%. 4 weeks later vs WF, 59%.

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We scored 29 points against a team that won 9 games and was 26th in the country in Total D and 44th in Scoring D at 22.0 per with a true freshman QB, a terrible OL, missing coaches, and idiot players that dont have enough sense to drink the water/gatorade in the lockerroom that every team in the country has sitting out for them to hydrate with.

Banging on the offense is ridiculous. We had over 400 yards and looked much better than I thought we would on O.

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Lebby needs an OC.******

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Are we though? I would say we got worse from September to October, worse from October to November, and worse from November to January.

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We lost multiple games because of in-game decision making. But we competed. This team wasn't competitive at all last year. You are right that at the end of the season the players were playing for themselves, not the team. Lots of programs dealing with that now. Coaches have an unrealistic expectation of building a team with character and talent year to year without being able to depend on developing players at all. Every season is a new group. They'd better start recruiting some character guys if they want the team to still be playing hard at the end of the season with no playoffs in site.