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12-01-2025, 10:57 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm with Tater on this. If y'all want to create a megathread to reignite the Air Raid vs Ground and Pound people arguing in different form, go right ahead. But every thread doesn't have to be hijacked into the same talking points.

Anyone that would take Shapen over KT going forward is a moron, period
12-01-2025, 11:00 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Anyone that would take Shapen over KT going forward is a moron, period

I don't disagree with you. Actually stated that on Friday after the game. But that's not the point. The point is, if y'all want to argue another iteration of Leach vs Anti Leach( This time it's Lebby vs Mullen/ Shapen vs Kamario) then just create a separate thread for it. I bet Scooba would even sticky it to the top for everyone.
12-01-2025, 11:01 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen won exactly 1 sec game.

Shapen doesnt play defense. We gave up 38 PPG in conference games.

You can post all the stats you want- at the end of the day the only stat that matters is points scored. He scored 19. 2nd worst all year. You cant statsplain that away. Will he be good for us next year? 100%. Will it be tough for us to keep him for his Jr year? 100%.
12-01-2025, 11:02 AM
Coach34

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Anyone that would take Shapen over KT going forward is a moron, period

Who said they would? I havent seen anybody post that
12-01-2025, 11:02 AM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I don't disagree with you. Actually stated that on Friday after the game. But that's not the point. The point is, if y'all want to argue another iteration of Leach vs Anti Leach( This time it's Lebby vs Mullen/ Shapen vs Kamario) then just create a separate thread for it. I bet Scooba would even sticky it to the top for everyone.

Any thread that turns in to a run down our future qb will be a thread I go down swinging in on his behalf
12-01-2025, 11:03 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Shapen doesnt play defense. We gave up 38 PPG in conference games.

You can post all the stats you want- at the end of the day the only stat that matters is points scored. He scored 19. 2nd worst all year. You cant statsplain that away. Will he be good for us next year? 100%. Will it be tough for us to keep him for his Jr year? 100%.

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

If you wanna use ppg in sec play, KT accounted for the same amount in half the plays
12-01-2025, 11:05 AM
Coursesuper

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

If you wanna use ppg in sec play, KT accounted for the same amount in half the plays

Explain to me this simple football thing please.

This is old school as it gets. 40 base, pinch, cover cloud. What does that mean?
12-01-2025, 11:06 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen won exactly 1 sec game, and in that game KT accounted for the same amount of tds as shapen.

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

WTH? LOL! WOW.
12-01-2025, 11:07 AM
Turfdawg67

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm with Tater on this. If y'all want to create a megathread to reignite the Air Raid vs Ground and Pound people arguing in different form, go right ahead. But every thread doesn't have to be hijacked into the same talking points.

^^^^^
12-01-2025, 11:09 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Explain to me this simple football thing please.

This is old school as it gets. 40 base, pinch, cover cloud. What does that mean?

4 down linemen
Slant to inside
Corners low, safety deep
12-01-2025, 11:09 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen and Lebby - good
KT and Mullen - bad

No.

Lebby and Shapen - Great. Why? The OL sucked ass and could not block How we were even in those games with this Roster is a massive credit to them.

Mullen, has nothing to do with KT. He will never be at MSU again. He burned his bridges and we have a better coach now.
12-01-2025, 11:13 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Who said they would? I havent seen anybody post that

Nobody has stated that.
12-01-2025, 11:15 AM
Coursesuper

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

4 down linemen
Slant to inside
Corners low, safety deep

Close cover 4. Now lets move on a little dont' google it this time. 41 scrape drop 2 halves.
12-01-2025, 11:16 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Any thread that turns in to a run down our future qb will be a thread I go down swinging in on his behalf

Then why are you talking? Nobody has run down KT.
12-01-2025, 11:21 AM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No.

Lebby and Shapen - Great. Why? The OL sucked ass and could not block How we were even in those games with this Roster is a massive credit to them.

Mullen, has nothing to do with KT. He will never be at MSU again. He burned his bridges and we have a better coach now.

Lebby chose KT.
12-01-2025, 11:21 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Close cover 4. Now lets move on a little dont' google it this time. 41 scrape drop 2 halves.

What's the point of this? You asked your question, and I answered.
12-01-2025, 11:31 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lebby chose KT.

Do you get off on making arguments against things nobody has even argued?
12-01-2025, 11:33 AM
Coursesuper

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

What's the point of this? You asked your question, and I answered.

Baseline understanding, If you don't want to okay.
12-01-2025, 11:41 AM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by msstate7

What's the point of this? You asked your question, and I answered.

It is a little strange.
12-01-2025, 11:45 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

It is a little strange.

You can always text me.

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