Sunday Morning Thoughts-Hello Darkness My Old Friend

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I included the COVID year in Leach's totals as well. If I didn't include it Leach's average win total would be one game better and closer to Kiffin's so by including it I voluntarily hurt my position in the name of fairness. Kiffin lost 5 SEC games his first year so his record that year would have likely been about 6-6 anyway so the numbers aren't far apart even if you play the hypothetical game.

I was unaware of Ole Miss winning the SEC West Championship the past five years? Their season last year was the equivalent of our 1999 season and that is the season their fans have called "the best ever!" Actually our 1999 season was probably better as we never really got blown out that year unlike Ole Miss. And their season this year is roughly the equivalent of our 2018 season which so many of our fans have run down and called disappointing. Including losses to Kentucky and Florida. Except their Kentucky and LSU losses are way worse. Not to mention Kiffin and Ole Miss have had extremely favorable schedules the past few years- which is part of the reason why he has one marquee win in five years. Which is something Leach accomplished in 1 game and Dan accomplished in year one himself by winning the Egg Bowl. Basically Lane Kiffin is Dan Mullen without having to play Alabama every year. Actually, I take that back- he's worse than Dan because he has even fewer marquee wins.

Which is why your whole point about baseball is stupid. This is what I am talking about when I say that you want to destroy baseball so we can essentially have Dan Mullen seasons. Which we have consistently done anyway with the RIGHT coach- Dan, Leach, and Jackie. Except when they go all in on football and ruin everything else they are actually going to end up worse off because now they're going to have a disappointing football season and are probably going to have donate who knows how much more to keep the team from opting out of whatever bowl they go to. AND they're going to suck in the other sports as well such as basketball. Meanwhile we're trying to rebuild football but at least we're strong in basketball, women's soccer, women's basketball and baseball. Only a matter of time before football finally catches up and hopefully smarter people than you and your friends take control.

And Cohen? LOL. Guess who lead a coup and put him in charge as AD in the first place? That's already been answered in this thread.

And by the way- blindly supporting unqualified people like Arnett is WHY we are where we are right now as much as anything and one of the most poor Mississippi State things ever.

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You keep on quoting 1 off years and acting like that’s the norm and also acting like that is the standard we should be shooting for. We don’t want to go 8-4 and say “look we aren’t awful”. We want to go to the playoffs. We want the administration to put as much effort in having a really good football program as they do baseball. We are the only school in the conference with an open end zone. We are the only school in the conference with no IPF. We are the only school in the conference with no LED lights and a megaphone for a speaker system. We have the nicest baseball facilities in the entire country. That’s 17ing ridiculous. Also, We did not compete with Dan Mullen or Mike Leach. We simply were not awful. No one wants to kill baseball for Dan Mullen success. We want to slash funding to be in line with our budget (as every other school does) and have Kiffin success. Comparing what Kiffin has done at Ole Miss to Dan Mullen seriously makes you look unintelligent to put it nicely. We can’t have the success that they are having right now and go all in on your favorite sport. You quoting us competing 2 times for anything in the past 35 years is proof of that. Yes, hiring competent people is the key. It takes money to do that. We go cheap in football and don’t in baseball. That’s why our success rate on hiring competent people is much higher in baseball. Really simple basic sh*t that I should not be having to explain to you. There is a reason Ole Miss is now last in baseball and that’s because they figured out what butters their bread. You can spin (and boy are you 17ing spinning) however you want, but I’m correct. You and your little booster friends’ mentality that has been rampant in this university for 50 years is going to have us in the sunbelt

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Originally Posted by Jarius

You keep on quoting 1 off years and acting like that’s the norm and also acting like that is the standard we should be shooting for. We don’t want to go 8-4 and say “look we aren’t awful”. We want to go to the playoffs. We want the administration to put as much effort in having a really good football program as they do baseball. We are the only school in the conference with an open end zone. We are the only school in the conference with no IPF. We are the only school in the conference with no LED lights and a megaphone for a speaker system. We have the nicest baseball facilities in the entire country. That’s 17ing ridiculous. Also, We did not compete with Dan Mullen or Mike Leach. We simply were not awful. No one wants to kill baseball for Dan Mullen success. We want to slash funding to be in line with our budget (as every other school does) and have Kiffin success. Comparing what Kiffin has done at Ole Miss to Dan Mullen seriously makes you look unintelligent to put it nicely. We can’t have the success that they are having right now and go all in on your favorite sport. You quoting us competing 2 times for anything in the past 35 years is proof of that. Yes, hiring competent people is the key. It takes money to do that. We go cheap in football and don’t in baseball. That’s why our success rate on hiring competent people is much higher in baseball. Really simple basic sh*t that I should not be having to explain to you. There is a reason Ole Miss is now last in baseball and that’s because they figured out what butters their bread. You can spin (and boy are you 17ing spinning) however you want, but I’m correct. You and your little booster friends’ mentality that has been rampant in this university for 50 years is going to have us in the sunbelt

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You're the one that keeps mentioning Ole Miss going all in as your prime example. I'm just telling you what the result of them going all in was. That's not MY standard- but apparently it is yours since you are using a team that is likely going 9-3 and missing the playoffs this year after going "all in." And you don't think Ole Miss winning 11 games last year was a "one off"? That's literally the only time they have had a season like that. And if anything their season this year shows how unsustainable it would be. They also have an elite college QB and a very favorable schedule. What's going to happen when that's not the case anymore? And tell me- what is the difference between Kiffin taking Ole Miss to the Outback Bowl and Leach and Dan taking us there? Other than they blew 14-20 million dollars to do it. There is no difference. And really no different than when we had high expectations in 2018 and Moorhead had pretty much the same season Ole Miss had this year.

And I agree that the administration should put as much into football as they do baseball. I disagree that we should or have to destroy baseball in the process of doing that. Because they don't have to do that. I'm a proponent of putting as much as we can into both and making both as good as they possibly can be. And of course football needs to step it up. You literally have national writers wondering why the hell our administration won't use the interlocking MSU that is so popular with fans. I don't know why being excellent in all sports is a bad thing or a bad goal to have?

Did you really say that we weren't competitive with Dan and Leach? Dan literally had us as the number one team in the country for a few weeks. But I'm the "unintelligent" one.

And don't get mad because you did the typical MSU fan "let's praise Ole Miss for doing the same thing we ran MSU down for." You're the one that looks like a complete dumbass because you apparently don't realize what Ole Miss has actually done- which is kind of hard to believe since it's literally in black and white. Hell you apparently forgot what we did in 2014. And 1998, 1999. I kept it at two things because I knew that's about your limit as far as counting goes.

I'm not spinning anything. I'm providing facts and produced it for you. YOU on the other hand have basically spewed incorrect hyperbole and straw men that I have basically proven aren't true over and over and over again. We only go cheap in football when we hire an Arnett or someone like that. We paid Dan and Leach competitively. Did you really think MSU should have given Arnett the 5.5 million we paid Leach in 2022? That has nothing to do with baseball.

The problem with your stance and why it is wrong is because it is predicated on us either not having enough money to fund football because of baseball or either baseball is forcing football to make poor choices.

I've already proven that it's not about money- see the expansion that football put in when it enclosed the stadium for 5 million MORE than Dudy Noble and was put in BEFORE Dudy Noble. See the football complex. See the donations that have poured in for football to the tune of 11 million dollars the past two months- and those are just the two big ones. Football got FAR MORE than baseball the past 10 years and that's including the new baseball field.

And as far as the second point- I'm pretty sure that even you don't think baseball is telling Lemonis to not put in LED lights or enclose the stadium or hire Arnett.

So no- you're not correct. You're wrong. You're booster friends are wrong just like when they brought back Brad Peterson. Not only are you wrong- you have absolutely NOTHING to back up your point AND you look completely stupid as well.

Oh and by the way- Ole Miss is killing their baseball program to get rid of Bianco because contrary to your belief- they think they can do better and they care.

Technically- football is not our cash cow. That stopped years ago.

TV money is our cash cow and being in the SEC getting that check is what pays the bills.

No two ways about it. Ole Miss is the sports program in the state right now. We're sucking hind teat. Hopefully we'll find some folks with big enough balls to admit that and 17ing fix it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Technically- football is not our cash cow. That stopped years ago.

TV money is our cash cow and being in the SEC getting that check is what pays the bills.

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This is very true.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

No two ways about it. Ole Miss is the sports program in the state right now. We're sucking hind teat. Hopefully we'll find some folks with big enough balls to admit that and 17ing fix it.

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I'll take where we are in basketball and baseball over where they are right now.

I really feel like it's only a matter of time before football gets fixed. Next year I think we find out if Lebby is the one who will be the one leading it long term or not.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Technically- football is not our cash cow. That stopped years ago.

TV money is our cash cow and being in the SEC getting that check is what pays the bills.

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This is exactly what I've said for a long time now. The SEC membership keeps the entire athletic department doors open. Obviously you have to have a football program to be eligible for the check but the conference affiliation is the cash cow.

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Originally Posted by State82

This is exactly what I've said for a long time now. The SEC membership keeps the entire athletic department doors open. Obviously you have to have a football program to be eligible for the check but the conference affiliation is the cash cow.

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This entirely 👌

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Technically- football is not our cash cow. That stopped years ago.

TV money is our cash cow and being in the SEC getting that check is what pays the bills.

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That's based off a football tv contract primarily though. Without football, there is no check.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Technically- football is not our cash cow. That stopped years ago.

TV money is our cash cow and being in the SEC getting that check is what pays the bills.

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C 34, we still count on football to try to make up shortfalls. It is the straw that stirs the drink. Gonna be more shortfalls budget wise this year to go along with a string of them.