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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I would have probably let him go after this season. But in all fairness I haven't seen not one poster who advocated for him to stay for next year also state that barely making a regional as a 3 seed is close to good enough to keep his job. That's not happening and nobody is advocating that.

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Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

But regardless, C34 is just throwing stuff at the wall. Like a perfect game 10 that's a top 5 draft pic bit wants to play college is 100% someone LSU is interested in having. The idea they'd not use NIL on a HS stud makes no sense. NIL is absolutely being used on HS kids.

And he won't address the fact that schools like Kentucky got better pitching transfers than us. What, am I supposed to believe their baseball NIL is out of our league too? It's simple. Lemo is a lame duck coach and nobody wants to play their last year of college on a sinking ship.

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Did they? We wont know that until the Spring. Remember Tyler Davis that pitches for us? He was very good at VCU. Didnt translate this past season to the SEC. We got a quality arm from a top baseball program in Ligon. I assure you Miami didnt want him to leave. We'll see what Purdue's Friday guy does in the SEC with better coaching and facilities.

and aGAIN- I'm not even a Lemon supporter. I wont be surprised with anything that happens in the Spring. But one thing I do know is that we have talent and should be pretty good. I dont think he's a lame duck at all. I think he makes the Tourney and keeps his job. And that fellas- is going to be fun to watch around here

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

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That's where I am. If we are a three seed, we better get to a super. If we're a 2 seed, he's coming back.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Did they? We wont know that until the Spring. Remember Tyler Davis that pitches for us? He was very good at VCU. Didnt translate this past season to the SEC. We got a quality arm from a top baseball program in Ligon. I assure you Miami didnt want him to leave. We'll see what Purdue's Friday guy does in the SEC with better coaching and facilities.

and aGAIN- I'm not even a Lemon supporter. I wont be surprised with anything that happens in the Spring. But one thing I do know is that we have talent and should be pretty good. I dont think he's a lame duck at all. I think he makes the Tourney and keeps his job. And that fellas- is going to be fun to watch around here

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Let me see if I got this straight:

Holcombe/Loo/Loftin will all greatly improve because they're "too talented not to".... but Arkansas Molina had a high ERA so he's not good? (BTW as noted above you used the wrong stats for him, his ERA was good last year)

Ligon will be great because he's got a quality arm... but we don't know anything about any other Portal arms till they play this year (why doesn't their play from last year count?)

Ligon was from a school that "didn't want him to leave"... as if all these other schools wanted their Friday aces to transfer out to the SEC? This argument makes no sense for why Ligon stands out from the transfers I mentioned above.

Purdue will be good next year because he's got better training here... but this somehow doesn't apply to the others? Again, this argument doesn't differentiate our tranfer from any of the others we should have gotten.

We can never get a good Portal player if LSU or Arky or UF want them because those are better programs... but we CAN recruit elite HS and Juco kids because... uh... these more elite programs apparently don't care about getting good players if they aren't from the Portal?

You're all over the place man. Just saying whatever thoughts come into your head that could possibly indicate Lemo is doing fine, even if they're illogical or contradict your previous point. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Let me see if I got this straight:

Holcombe/Loo/Loftin will all greatly improve because they're "too talented not to".... but Arkansas Molina had a high ERA so he's not good? (BTW as noted above you used the wrong stats for him, his ERA was good last year)

Ligon will be great because he's got a quality arm... but we don't know anything about any other Portal arms till they play this year (why doesn't their play from last year count?)

Ligon was from a school that "didn't want him to leave"... as if all these other schools wanted their Friday aces to transfer out to the SEC? This argument makes no sense for why Ligon stands out from the transfers I mentioned above.

Purdue will be good next year because he's got better training here... but this somehow doesn't apply to the others? Again, this argument doesn't differentiate our tranfer from any of the others we should have gotten.

We can never get a good Portal player if LSU or Arky or UF want them because those are better programs... but we CAN recruit elite HS and Juco kids because... uh... these more elite programs apparently don't care about getting good players if they aren't from the Portal?

You're all over the place man. Just saying whatever thoughts come into your head that could possibly indicate Lemo is doing fine, even if they're illogical or contradict your previous point. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

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No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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No, if the AD doesn't make a move a move will be made for him. He is on razor thin ice. And again this is coming from someone who had no problem making a change this year.

What if I told you that in 2023 we would have 250k to spend on a baseball player, & we couldn't find one that wanted to come here bad enough to take it. This is a massive L for a coach that can't take another L. When you are leveraging that kind of money, you get a dang answer from the kid before the portal closes. There are other pitching prospects out there that would be worth going after to get them in the portal but we didn't do squat. You can make excuses all day, but this is a coach/recruiting fail.

Who all figured this would happen? Raise your hand

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

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We wont miss Hoover 2 years in a row or break school records for margin of defeat

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

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You have to admit calling him Lemonizik then all of a sudden turning around and following the company line is out of your character

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

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Kansas state was the first team out and its AD and the baseball media blasted Cohen for leaving them out. They were good. Molinas numbers were good to great all year outside of 2 bad starts against an Omaha team and a regional team.

0 ER in 5.0 vs Iowa. Tourney team.
3 ER in 5.1 vs OK st. Regional host.
2 ER in 5.0 vs Texas. Super regional team.
2 ER in 4.2 vs West Va. Regional team.
1 ER in 6.0 vs Kan St. First team out.
1 ER in 6.0 vs West Va again. Regional team.
2 ER in 6.0 Va Top 10 UConn. Regional team.
That's 2.60 ERA in those 7 starts.

7 ER in 4.1 vs TCU. CWS team.
4 ER in 2.2 vs Oklahoma. Regional team.

We'd love to have him and he'd be our Friday guy as of today.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

What if I told you that in 2023 we would have 250k to spend on a baseball player, & we couldn't find one that wanted to come here bad enough to take it. This is a massive L for a coach that can't take another L. When you are leveraging that kind of money, you get a dang answer from the kid before the portal closes. There are other pitching prospects out there that would be worth going after to get them in the portal but we didn't do squat. You can make excuses all day, but this is a coach/recruiting fail.

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We had way more than 250k to spend. We would have spent that on multiple guys had they come.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

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Only way he gets fire after making a regional is if we get in like the rebels did in 22 and 2 and q's. 2 seed and it's not even a call.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We wont miss Hoover 2 years in a row or break school records for margin of defeat

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Will Rogers wasnt bad against ole miss. See, everybody can be wrong.... happens. Difference is one is a prediction and the other was after actually watching it.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

Who all figured this would happen? Raise your hand

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Is it o.k. to raise my hand just halfway? I thought initially he was ours. We seemed to have all the right connections but the longer this thing drug out (all the experts had all the excuses why) the more skeptical I became and it finally got to the point where I just accepted it wasn't going to happen.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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C34 quite literally had a change of heart. He's a lot more fun of a poster since he's come back from the brink.

I think most everyone on the board is in agreement: Shitty season and Lemonis goes. 3 seed and 2-and-Q is gonezo. Make a super and he's for sure staying. It's that simple.

What's different is everyone's approach to that information. C34, myself, and others see a guy who's got a natty knowing he's up against a wall. There's some magic there and bucket man won't go without a whimper. It's way more fun to drink the State Koolaid and be the optimist than it is to be debbie downer for months. Even if you're right, who cares. You get momentary satisfaction in being right, whereas a dreamer gets months of satisfaction dreaming about what can be.

It's why the fun of lottery tickets isn't focusing on who will win and how astronomical it is you won't. It's spending $10 on the thought that you might and daydreaming about what you would do with it.

Anyways. Football season is almost here and we're going 15-0 until we're going 14-1. Hope springs eternal.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

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Lol you just keep contradicting yourself:

Ligon is a great get because we don't know know how much he'll improve next year... Molina had some bad starts so he's not an ace

See that soluble standard? Ignore Ligons bad starts for Miami and judge him on potential alone, but ignore Molinas potential -and his overall stats- to judge him solely on his WORST numbers.

Skenes had bad starts at Air Force. Bednar had bad starts in 21. Holman had bad starts at Bama. You know all this, you're not dumb. But you still pull from Molinas worst performances to pretend thatsbwhat he is. It's intellectually dishonest unless you're going to do that for all our guys too

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing.

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Another thing- I'm not making "definative statements" on anyone. I'm stating FACTUAL STATISTICS FROM REAL BASEBALL GAMES!

Literally a page ago you said LSU will shell out for Portal players because they're "Proven", but not shell out for HS kids because theyre an unknown. So which is it? Are Portal player proven or are their stats irrelevant to whether or not we should pursue them?

Tater I have no issue with optimism because you'd rather be optimistic. That's great, good for you.

BUT, there's a difference between you (choosing optimism) and C34, who's contradicting g his own logic and cherrypicking stats to make said optimistic points. At least be honest about it you know?